| 2006-12-08 19:09:16 |
Luka Renko |
bug |
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added bug |
| 2006-12-08 22:08:40 |
Luka Renko |
bug |
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added attachment 'k-d-s.debdiff' (kubuntu-default-settings.debdiff) |
| 2006-12-08 22:10:06 |
Luka Renko |
bug |
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added subscriber Ubuntu Stable Release Updates Team |
| 2006-12-08 22:33:40 |
Luka Renko |
description |
Binary package hint: kubuntu-default-settings
Kubuntu Edgy has introduced new "feature": by default, all directories in / are hidden, beside /home and /media. Main reason was to hide stuff that would typically not be needed by typical user. This was implemented as part of media:/ simplifications (media:/ was major issue in dapper).
More details:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuHiddenFiles
During the beta cycles, there was no complaints that this might be an issue (or people were willing to accept this "simplification"), but after the release of Edgy, when most of existing Kubuntu user base has upgraded, we were faced by several bugs (bug 68719, 67582, 67314) and several heated discussions on IRC and Ubuntu mailing list:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-October/010173.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-October/010191.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010842.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010852.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010498.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/021460.html
Note: this also impacts GNOME users with kubuntu-desktop installed as GNOME file dialogs/browser also respect .hidden file.
Since we had Celeste Lyn Paul from KDE Usability on UDS MtView, this feature was reviewed again and it was decided that hiding files in / is really not so good idea, as it may confuse current Linux users as well as complicate support for new Linux users. For example when users are asked by bug triage/support/irc to provide some file from /etc or /var/log and they cannot browse there with Konqueror or regular file open dialog (to attach the file).
This is why it was decided that the "feature" should be dropped for Feisty (and is already in Feisty):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyDefaultSettingsReview
Since we still get new complaints from Edgy users, we have discussed this on Kubuntu meeting on Dec 7 and it was agreed it would make sense to backport this to Edgy. This "bug" may not be seen immediately as complying with requirements set in StableReleaseUpdates, but we think that it is seen as severe regression by our users (even though that workarounds exists) and complicates support.
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Binary package hint: kubuntu-default-settings
Kubuntu Edgy has introduced new "feature": by default, all directories in / are hidden, beside /home and /media. Main reason was to hide stuff that would typically not be needed by typical user. This was implemented as part of media:/ simplifications (media:/ was major issue in dapper).
More details:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuHiddenFiles
During the beta cycles, there was no complaints that this might be an issue (or people were willing to accept this "simplification"), but after the release of Edgy, when most of existing Kubuntu user base has upgraded, we were faced by several bugs (bug 68719, bug 67582, bug 67314) and several heated discussions on IRC and Ubuntu mailing list:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-October/010173.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-October/010191.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010842.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010852.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-November/010498.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/021460.html
Note: this also impacts GNOME users with kubuntu-desktop installed as GNOME file dialogs/browser also respect .hidden file.
Since we had Celeste Lyn Paul from KDE Usability on UDS MtView, this feature was reviewed again and it was decided that hiding files in / is really not so good idea, as it may confuse current Linux users as well as complicate support for new Linux users. For example when users are asked by bug triage/support/irc to provide some file from /etc or /var/log and they cannot browse there with Konqueror or regular file open dialog (to attach the file).
This is why it was decided that the "feature" should be dropped for Feisty (and is already in Feisty):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyDefaultSettingsReview
Since we still get new complaints from Edgy users, we have discussed this on Kubuntu meeting on Dec 7 and it was agreed it would make sense to backport this to Edgy. This "bug" may not be seen immediately as complying with requirements set in StableReleaseUpdates, but we think that it is seen as severe regression by our users (even though that workarounds exists) and complicates support.
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| 2006-12-08 22:34:37 |
Luka Renko |
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SRU request: remove /.hidden file |
SRU: remove /.hidden file |
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| 2007-01-30 10:15:30 |
Martin Pitt |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
Unconfirmed |
Needs Info |
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| 2007-01-30 10:15:30 |
Martin Pitt |
kubuntu-default-settings: statusexplanation |
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Please fix this in Feisty first (bug task must be 'fix released' for an SRU request).
About the patch:
- Please fix changelog to say edgy-proposed
- Please also remove the now obsolete comment in the postinst to avoid confusion
- Why is the Makefile change necessary? Having the hidden-root installed in the system certainly does not hurt, and people might still want to use/symlink to it. |
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| 2007-01-30 10:38:10 |
Luka Renko |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
Unconfirmed |
Fix Released |
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| 2007-01-30 10:38:10 |
Luka Renko |
kubuntu-default-settings: assignee |
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lure |
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| 2007-01-30 10:38:10 |
Luka Renko |
kubuntu-default-settings: statusexplanation |
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Feisty has this fix from Herd1. Marking Fix Released.
Will update the debdiff this evening.
Makefile change is there to match what is done for Feisty (where this file was also removed). |
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| 2007-01-30 14:06:39 |
Anthony Mercatante |
bug |
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added attachment 'kds.debdiff' (debdiff) |
| 2007-01-30 14:24:45 |
Martin Pitt |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
Needs Info |
Confirmed |
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| 2007-01-30 14:24:45 |
Martin Pitt |
kubuntu-default-settings: statusexplanation |
Please fix this in Feisty first (bug task must be 'fix released' for an SRU request).
About the patch:
- Please fix changelog to say edgy-proposed
- Please also remove the now obsolete comment in the postinst to avoid confusion
- Why is the Makefile change necessary? Having the hidden-root installed in the system certainly does not hurt, and people might still want to use/symlink to it. |
Patch looks good. Please upload and set to 'in progress'. |
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| 2007-01-30 23:17:56 |
Anthony Mercatante |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
Fix Released |
In Progress |
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| 2007-01-30 23:17:56 |
Anthony Mercatante |
kubuntu-default-settings: statusexplanation |
Feisty has this fix from Herd1. Marking Fix Released.
Will update the debdiff this evening.
Makefile change is there to match what is done for Feisty (where this file was also removed). |
Uploaded |
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| 2007-01-30 23:22:37 |
Anthony Mercatante |
bug |
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added subscriber Ubuntu Package Archive Administrators |
| 2007-01-31 07:32:27 |
Luka Renko |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
In Progress |
Fix Released |
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| 2007-01-31 07:32:27 |
Luka Renko |
kubuntu-default-settings: statusexplanation |
Uploaded |
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| 2007-01-31 07:33:04 |
Luka Renko |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
Confirmed |
In Progress |
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| 2007-01-31 07:33:04 |
Luka Renko |
kubuntu-default-settings: statusexplanation |
Patch looks good. Please upload and set to 'in progress'. |
Marking Edgy task as In Progress (Feisty is already released) |
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| 2007-02-02 14:57:08 |
Martin Pitt |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
In Progress |
Fix Committed |
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| 2007-02-02 14:57:08 |
Martin Pitt |
kubuntu-default-settings: statusexplanation |
Marking Edgy task as In Progress (Feisty is already released) |
Accepted into edgy-proposed, please go ahead with QA testing. |
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| 2007-11-16 16:19:55 |
Martin Pitt |
kubuntu-default-settings: status |
Fix Committed |
Fix Released |
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