What i did to solve the problem and another problem with Firefox3 was to install Firefox2 and purge Firefox3. Then I had to uninstall and purge firefox2 as some parts of Firefox 3 still were in there. I then did a clean install of Firefox 2. So the 8.04 version is working again. I also uninstalled Java. Also changed it to Kubuntu on the video side as that was also an issue that must be related to a recent batch of updates. From there I went back and re-installed 7.10 as it will work fine with Java, I think I used version 5 with it. So it will access the data that requires that. All in all version 7.10 is extremely stable and as it is no longer supported the last update that it got seems to work fine. So for now we will just run two versions. For a while 8.04 worked fine but a few weeks ago it became unstable. Firefox 3.03 is terrible no back step button and it hangs. Version 2.17 seems to work fine on both 7.10 and 8.04 I kind of thing the swiftweasel version is better but it is not much different. I am no expert but I think Firefox and Ubuntu has a problem with Pentium 4 cedar mills 64 bit processors caused by one of the last updates within the past three weeks. Could be something for AMD got mixed up in the program design?? I don't know. I do know this much the computer now runs fine. The CPU temp is usually 4 degrees above the board temp and that is usually about 9 to 10 degrees above room temp. Before the percentage of CPU activity would go very high and stay high when it was hanging, now it rarely does, and when it does it is task related. All in all I do like Ubuntu, I do think the KDE graphics might be better. But as Gnome is what works best with some software I think I will keep it the same for now. I hope this helps you guys do what you do. For what its worth 7.10 is a great and stable distro. kind of nice not having to change anything on it. It just works. I hope 8.04 gets back to being as nice as it was before it went south, Firefox must have been asleep at the keyboard on 3.03. Better to have them come out with security updates for 2.0xx Have a great safe day JRR On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Matthias Klose