FFe: time-admin and indicator-datetime-preferences shouldn't both be installed by default

[Michael Terry]

Binary package hint: gnome-system-tools

Now that indicator-datetime-preferences is about to get a .desktop file, (https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-datetime/fix-show-clock/+merge/52890), it and time-admin look similar and do the same thing to the user.

We should not install time-admin in the Ubuntu seed. However, it is currently bundled together as part of gnome-system-tools. So it should be split out and made its own package. Then seeds can adjust accordingly.

[Milan Bouchet-Valat (nalimilan)]

I think we should even stop installing the gnome-system-tools, and use the new account-dialog (or it's GNOME control center panel version) to replace users-admin. Other tools are not needed in default install.

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

OK, just discovered that we're not actually feature-compatible with time-admin. If ntpd isn't installed, time-admin will offer to install it. indicator-datetime-preferences should do that too. Unsubscribing ubuntu-release for now.

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

Oh, I can't. Well, ubuntu-release, ignore this for now.

[Milan Bouchet-Valat (nalimilan)]

I'd say let's just install ntpd by default, and stop running ntpdate automatically, because it 1) only runs when (re)connecting, which is kind of misleading and not correct on servers and 2) isn't currently reported in the GUI as automated Internet time sync, while it's actually doing this in the background. The new time & date tool in GNOME Control Center 3.0 also relies on the fact that ntpd is present to sync time.

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

Nevermind. After discussing how the "automatically set time from Internet" option works, we don't quite want to replicate time-admin's feature. See bug 734894. But this FFe can be considered again once that is fixed.

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

Milan, servers will have ntpd installed. But for normal Ubuntu, it's a bit overkill. Hence ntpdate. The plan so far is to have the dialog control whichever is installed (or both). But that's a discussion for bug 734894.

Then new time & date tool for GNOME 3.0 assumes nptd because that's installed by default in Fedora.

[Martin Pitt (pitti)]

Ack for splitting out gnome-time-admin similar to the already existing gnome-network-admin splitout.

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

gnome-system-tools (2.32.0-0ubuntu6) natty; urgency=low

  * Split time-admin into its own package, gnome-time-admin, so we can
    include it in certain flavors but not others. LP: 732757

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

Seed changes filed:
https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.natty-gnome-system-tools/+merge/53412
https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.natty-gnome-system-tools/+merge/53420
https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.natty-gnome-system-tools/+merge/53423

[Michael Terry (mterry)]

All flavors have now merged the seed changes. Closing this out.