Utility applications are not placed in the Utilities folder

[AsciiWolf]

Some utility applications used in Ubuntu are not placed in the Utilities folder. These applications are:

Language Support
Software & Updates
Livepatch
Software Updater
Power Statistics
Startup Applications
Startup Disk Creator
Passwords and Keys
Input Method

Please, consider moving them to the Utilities folder.

[AsciiWolf (asciiwolf)]

The Snap version of System Monitor seems to have this issue as well on latest Ubuntu 19.04.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

Please look at <https://packages.debian.org/unstable/>. What makes you think that "Utilities" is the most proper section for all those packages?

[Paul White (paulw2u)]

What Utilities folder?

In my nine years of using Ubuntu and dabbling with other distributions I've never seen any reference to "Utilities". I'm removing "100 Papercuts" as it's not a *trivial* procedure to introduce such reorganisation in Ubuntu or indeed in any other Linux distribution. See https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts

[Paul White (paulw2u)]

Ah, so I finally get it.

You mean the Utilities folder within GNOME Shell's Overview?

In which case I think the bug report should be logged against gnome-shell and raised upstream.

[AsciiWolf (asciiwolf)]

Please, see: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/issues/642 and https://developer.gnome.org/AppFolders/

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

Please disregard my comment #2. I understand now that you are talking about grouping in the gnome-shell overview based on categories in the .desktop files.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

Maybe post about it at <https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/desktop> to have a discussion on the desirable way to organize the icons on Ubuntu.

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

It would be good to have design input on that, I'm not convinced that things like the system monitor, language-selector or usb creater should be moved outside the main list. That folder split seems a bit random, maybe it should be removed?

[Daniel van Vugt (vanvugt)]

Per the upstream bug:

  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/issues/642

The designation of apps in the Utilities folder is the job of gnome-software:

  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/blob/master/src/gs-folders.c#L535

So we can remove the other tasks...

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

@Daniel: By setting the status "Opinion" for gnome-software (Ubuntu), you closed it. Was that your intention? Keeping it open as "Wishlist" is more appropriate, I think.

[AsciiWolf (asciiwolf)]

No upstream fix was released, the upstream ticket was just closed, for this reason: "I don't think we can define "system tools" at all, it breaks down with all kinds of edge cases. For bugs like this you need to talk to the people in #gnome-design and if they agree they will give us new mockups to build. It's not the kind of thing we can just decide on our own, sorry."

So this needs to be either fixed downstream or approved by gnome design team to be included upstream.

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)]

A handy extension is available:

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1217/appfolders-manager/

Maybe it's best to let the users organize their icons themselves.