Ubuntu should provide a default graphical method to install technical packages (kernels, console apps, etc.)

Bug #1553211 reported by Jaufré Aligé on 2016-03-04
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This bug affects 34 people
Affects Status Importance Assigned to Milestone
GNOME Software
Invalid
Wishlist
gnome-software (Ubuntu)
Medium
Unassigned
ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu)
Medium
Unassigned
ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
Medium
Unassigned

Bug Description

Ubuntu 16.04 will be useless for "normal" people if they can't find every software package as they did before.
To force users to use gnome-software will be a regression!

Examples:

In old Software Center, you could add gimp plug-ins (plug-ins are recommends and suggests packages of gimp) by going in gimp description and check the plug-ins you want!
In old Software Center, you could install another version of linux kernel by typing "linux" then click at bottom left to show the packages.

Now, they have to use apt-get or install synaptic!

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04
Package: gnome-software 3.19.91~git20160229.ceb6b9d-0ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.4.0-8.23-generic 4.4.2
Uname: Linux 4.4.0-8-generic x86_64
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_uvm nvidia
ApportVersion: 2.20-0ubuntu3
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: Unity
Date: Fri Mar 4 15:06:20 2016
InstallationDate: Installed on 2016-01-07 (57 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus" - Alpha amd64 (20160105)
SourcePackage: gnome-software
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

Jaufré Aligé (jaufre) wrote :
Sebastien Bacher (seb128) wrote :

Thanks but the software store is meant to be a simple UI to install desktop software, technical items might be installed by more technical ways (if you want to install a library or another kernel you should be fine using synaptic or such)

Changed in gnome-software (Ubuntu):
importance: Undecided → Low
Amr Ibrahim (amribrahim1987) wrote :

The whole purpose of GNOME Software is the ability to install only applications; packages with .desktop files. If you are experienced enough with other kind of packages; CLI, libraries, development or kernel, you should be comfortable using a terminal.

Jaufré Aligé (jaufre) wrote :

ok but just think like NORMAL people ! Example : How will they install gimp plugins ?!
They will have to do it the "windows" way or use a command line. Some of them... won't like it. Trust me, I'm installing and teaching to "normal" people everyday. The simple "additional content" section in softwares descriptions was a great "plus".

I'll make a Youtube tutorial on how use synaptic for my customers, but honestly, it's few ridiculous.
There should be an "advanced mode". Going back to grandpa synaptic is a regression.

Amr Ibrahim (amribrahim1987) wrote :

OK. I agree with the plugins. software-center treats recommends and suggests as plugins to the application. I will change the bug title to reflect that.

summary: - impossible to install "technical" packages (plugins, kernels...)
+ gnome-software does not treat recommends and suggests as plugins to
+ applications | impossible to install "technical" packages (plugins,
+ kernels...)

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

Changed in gnome-software (Ubuntu):
status: New → Confirmed
description: updated
Matthias Klumpp (ximion) wrote :

@amribrahim1987: that's not how AppStream works - treating Suggests/Recommends as "plugins" is a crude hack which happened to work relatively well thanks to Debian and Ubuntu developers doing a good job at packaging.
But still, this system is not very extensible and will also result in wrong matches or software e.g. suggesting language packs as "plugins".
GNOME Software can consume addon-type AppStream components though.

So, every software which is providing an addon to some (gui or non-GUI) app, just needs to drop some small bit of XML into /usr/share/appdata and it will show up in GS.
See https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/sect-Quickstart-Addons.html on a quick introduction into how to write that XML.

Does that solve this issue for you?

Jaufré Aligé (jaufre) wrote :

Another problem with this :

Skype in Partners depot. You can't see it. I supposed it's not well packaged...

Amr Ibrahim (amribrahim1987) wrote :

Thanks Matthias. Now I understand. So a package like gimp-data-extras (which gimp suggests in Debian) needs to have a metainfo file defining that this software is an addon which extends the functionality of another software. It's defined here https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/sect-Metadata-Addon.html

Amr Ibrahim (amribrahim1987) wrote :

Should the addon metainfo file be added by upstream in their sources or by Debian maintainers in their packages?

Matthias Klumpp (ximion) wrote :

Ideally, upstream should ship (and translate) those files.
Debian maintainers should only add the files themselves if upstream rejects adding them (but so far, that did never happen).

Robert Ancell (robert-ancell) wrote :

For 16.04 we will probably need to take those upstream changes and patch our versions, so should out if you need help sponsoring there.

Robert Ancell (robert-ancell) wrote :

Also, first check if upstream already has the changes done.

Robert Ancell (robert-ancell) wrote :

That should say "shout out", not "should out"

IMO user still expect GUI to install non-GUI software packages, if GNOME/Ubuntu Software doesn't want to include it I'll instantly file a new bug to add another GUI package management software like Synaptic/Muon in default ubuntu desktop installation.

Thank you :-)

Le 21/04/2016 19:44, 林博仁 a écrit :
> IMO user still expect GUI to install non-GUI software packages, if
> GNOME/Ubuntu Software doesn't want to include it I'll instantly file a
> new bug to add another GUI package management software like
> Synaptic/Muon in default ubuntu desktop installation.
>
> ** Also affects: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
> Importance: Undecided
> Status: New
>

--
Jaufré Aligé
http://jau-informatique.com
09 60 43 68 30

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

Changed in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu):
status: New → Confirmed

Additional case: User wanted to run Windows application using Wine, but they can't find it because the software component 'wine-*' isn't shown in the search results of Ubuntu/GNOME Software.

This is actually happened at https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntu.zh.hant/permalink/1138059266249394/ (Traditional Chinese facebook group)

summary: gnome-software does not treat recommends and suggests as plugins to
applications | impossible to install "technical" packages (plugins,
- kernels...)
+ kernels...) | Ubuntu desktop no longer provide graphical method to
+ install non-GUI applications
summary: gnome-software does not treat recommends and suggests as plugins to
applications | impossible to install "technical" packages (plugins,
kernels...) | Ubuntu desktop no longer provide graphical method to
- install non-GUI applications
+ install non-GUI software components

I thoroughly read the bug report and believe that this bug should be split to two different bugs dealing with different issues:

1. Software packages that considered to be an application's addon(which is Jaufré, Amr, et.al discussed about)
2. Software packages that is rather a component of another application, software, or system(which is also-Jaufré and I mentioning)

If every one's fine with that I'll create a new bug to ubuntu-meta(or other package if applicable) dealing with 2. and leave this bug with the 1. topic.

Changed in gnome-software:
importance: Unknown → Wishlist
status: Unknown → Invalid
Mathew Hodson (mathew-hodson) wrote :

buo-ren-lin please link the other bug when you have created it.

Changed in gnome-software (Ubuntu):
status: Confirmed → Won't Fix
importance: Low → Medium
Changed in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu):
importance: Undecided → Medium
summary: - gnome-software does not treat recommends and suggests as plugins to
- applications | impossible to install "technical" packages (plugins,
- kernels...) | Ubuntu desktop no longer provide graphical method to
- install non-GUI software components
+ Ubuntu needs a default graphical method to install technical packages
+ (plugins, kernels, terminal apps)
summary: - Ubuntu needs a default graphical method to install technical packages
- (plugins, kernels, terminal apps)
+ Ubuntu should provide a default graphical method to install technical
+ packages (plugins, kernels, terminal apps)

I think GNOME Software is the wrong choice for installing non-app system packages.
So, in total there are three choices:

1) Use GNOME PackageKit for local package installs
2) Use GDebi
3) Hack GNOME Software to make local package installations work somehow.

Amr Ibrahim (amribrahim1987) wrote :

I think the problem here is not about only installing non-app packages; it's about browsing and searching for those packages. You can't search for CLI packages in GNOME Software, but you can in GNOME PackageKit and Synaptic.

Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote :

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

Changed in ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu):
status: New → Confirmed
Changed in ubuntu-gnome-meta (Ubuntu):
importance: Undecided → Medium
status: Confirmed → Triaged
Changed in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu):
status: Confirmed → Triaged
summary: Ubuntu should provide a default graphical method to install technical
- packages (plugins, kernels, terminal apps)
+ packages (plugins, kernels, console apps, drivers)
Jeremy Bicha (jbicha) wrote :

As Matthias pointed out, GNOME Software especially in Ubuntu 17.04 already supports apps showing plugins. Please file a bug if you know of any plugins that are packaged in Ubuntu but are not showing up on the app description page. Please use the tag 'appstream' for these bugs.

You should be able to install drivers with Ubuntu's Software & Updates (software-properties-gtk) app.

Therefore, I updated this bug's title.

summary: Ubuntu should provide a default graphical method to install technical
- packages (plugins, kernels, console apps, drivers)
+ packages (kernels, console apps, etc.)
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