intrepid session dialog experience

Bug #251211 reported by Sebastien Bacher
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Affects Status Importance Assigned to Milestone
gnome-session (Ubuntu)
Low
Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
Intrepid
Low
Ubuntu Desktop Bugs

Bug Description

Intrepid has a new set of session dialogs, Log Out and Shut Down (with Lock Screen as a separate menu item) that replace the previous Quit dialog. These come from SuSE patches that are expected to be eventually upstream.

Log Out has:
  Log Out
  Switch User

Shut Down has:
  Shut Down
  Restart
  Suspend
  Hibernate

We also will now have Ted's fast-user-switch-applet in the top right by default, providing quick access to the Switch User functionality as well as the other options here.

There is a remaining decision:

Are two dialogs better than one? In previous Ubuntu releases, we only ever had one "Quit" dialog that contained all of the available options. This now gives us two, and for the first time (in Ubuntu) attempts to establish a difference between "Log Out" and "Shut Down".

This notably causes a surprising experience when pressing the power button, previously this showed all of the available options - now it only shows the Log Out (!) options.

Switching between Users is very arguably completely covered by the new applet, and Lock Screen is happy as its own menu item (it never fitted in the list otherwise).

Thus should we merge the two dialogs back into one Quit dialog, that would simply add the Log Out option?

  Quit:
    Log Out
    Shut Down
    Restart
    Suspend
    Hibernate

description: updated
description: updated
Changed in gnome-session:
assignee: nobody → desktop-bugs
importance: Undecided → Wishlist
milestone: none → ubuntu-8.10-beta
status: New → Triaged
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Ted Gould (ted) wrote :

On Desktop Experience we've talked about putting this into the fast user switching applet. I promise I'll clean up a patch and such next week when I'm back home.

Changed in gnome-session:
importance: Wishlist → Low
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Fernando Miguel (fernandomiguel) wrote :

I have not followed all Desktop meeting on this, so can you guys explain to me (and others reading this) why having two very un-functional menus to deal with a session a low priority?

thanks.

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Matt Zimmerman (mdz) wrote : Re: [Bug 251211] Re: intrepid uses the upstream session dialog

On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 10:16:51AM -0000, BUGabundo wrote:
> I have not followed all Desktop meeting on this, so can you guys explain
> to me (and others reading this) why having two very un-functional menus
> to deal with a session a low priority?

The fact that the current menus don't work properly is a separate bug, which
is targeted for Intrepid and of importance 'High' (bug 250506).

The fact that they don't look the way we want them to look is also an issue,
but less urgent than that one.

Two possible solutions were mentioned elsewhere (from upstream and Ted
Gould) and we should find out what's happening there before making any snap
decisions. I'm waiting to hear back from Ted.

Sebastien, can you tell us any more about what's happening upstream?

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 - mdz

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Sebastien Bacher (seb128) wrote : Re: intrepid uses the upstream session dialog

upstream is going to change the dialog, that should land to intrepid today or tomorrow when new tarballs are rolled

you can see screenshots of the new dialogs on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507101

they will still have two dialogs but once those changes have landed we can consider whether we want to use the new upstream look and maybe list all the options in one dialog or if we want to roll back to what ubuntu was using between dapper and hardy

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Matt Zimmerman (mdz) wrote : Re: [Bug 251211] Re: intrepid uses the upstream session dialog

On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:10:24PM -0000, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> upstream is going to change the dialog, that should land to intrepid
> today or tomorrow when new tarballs are rolled
>
> you can see screenshots of the new dialogs on
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507101

These are an improvement on the current dialogs, particularly in that
Suspend and Hibernate are available.

> they will still have two dialogs but once those changes have landed we
> can consider whether we want to use the new upstream look and maybe list
> all the options in one dialog or if we want to roll back to what ubuntu
> was using between dapper and hardy

It looks like Ted's changes to the presence applet add "close session",
"reboot" and "shutdown" to the menu, so this may be a third option.

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 - mdz

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Saverio Infante (gorgacilento) (saveriovallo) wrote : Re: intrepid uses the upstream session dialog

Pacchetto binario suggerimento: gnome-session

Il nuovo gnome-session è soprattutto uno rewrital il che significa che la sessione ubuntu modifiche devono essere riscritto ancora se si desidera utilizzare la stessa finestra di dialogo. A monte i piani di fondere la finestra di dialogo opensuse in modo che nel frattempo potrebbero voler valutare la possibilità di utilizzare questo come una opzione

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n3ko (n3ko74) wrote :

I found the new dialogs In the system menu, now there is three menus: Lock screen, Logout and shudown. There is nothin wrong with that, but when i press the computer power button, why the logout dialog is shown?

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Steve Langasek (vorlon) wrote :

I'm not at all clear on what's left to be done here; Seb, could you please comment on what the planned fix is (since this bug is milestoned)?

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Sebastien Bacher (seb128) wrote :

the topic has been discussed during the previous desktop team meeting, the consensus was to use the current intrepid dialog and to change the applet it the corner to be the fast user switching one and not the session button, the change is in intrepid but configurations are not migrated to the new layout on upgrade, see bug #274146

description: updated
description: updated
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Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) wrote :
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Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) wrote :

There is no sensible way to convey that there are half a dozen different variations on quitting an Ubuntu session, because that's not a sensible situation. Our current long-term plan for solving this is described in <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/ExitStrategy>.

Until that is implemented, I would have preferred not to have any changes to the Quit dialog used from Dapper to Hardy, because people would then need to relearn the interface twice (once now, once then) rather than once. However, for technical reasons using that same Quit dialog in Intrepid would require reimplementing it, which we don't have the resources for.

That leaves us with two unpleasant choices: the two dialogs currently used in Intrepid, or a single dialog combining all the options. I don't think it particularly matters either way, but staying with the two dialogs requires less work, and lets us use the time we'd spend merging them on fixing other problems.

Changed in gnome-session:
status: Triaged → Invalid
Changed in gnome-session:
status: Invalid → Won't Fix
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Pēteris Krišjānis (pecisk-gmail) wrote :

As user I would suggest to take out button right top corner. All available options are under "System" and user switching is done using user applet. Seems to make sense for me.

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