Tooltip for logout applet is misleading

[Matt Zimmerman]

It reads "log out of this session to log in as a different user", while it actually allows the user to choose one of several actions when activated

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

Confirmed, to fix for dapper

[Manu Cornet (lmanul)]

I think I can work on this, but I would need a new text suggestion.

[Daniel Holbach (dholbach)]

My personal suggestion was "Leave Session", but 'session' was deemed to be too technical by some.

[Phil Housley (undeconstructed)]

I can't see that session is a technical word in this sense, as it is only describing what a user would likely call a single use of a computer anyway.

More to the point, a single tooltip is never going to fully explain the purpose of the menu item, as I complained about in Bug #34128 - some of the options are fundamentally unrelated. In particular not all options will log you out.

Given that it seems unlikely the dialog will be split before dapper, I think we should pick no more than two behaviours and make that the tooltip. My vote is for "Turn off the computer, or make it available for others." That skips three of the options (reboot etc), but does technically match the other four.

[Manu Cornet (lmanul)]

I like Phil's idea (Turn off the computer, or make it available for others.). We still need to find a good title for the entry itself, though.

Currently it is "Log out %user...", which doesn't match what the dialog actually does. I suggested "Exit...", but you guys may have a better suggestion.

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

dropping milestone, dapper is string frozen now

[Scott Sweeny (ssweeny)]

I would suggest "Leave Computer"

[Matthew East (mdke)]

"Stop work" gets my vote.

[Jimmy Angelakos (vyruss)]

What about "Log Out Menu" or "Log Out Options" ?

[Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)]

I've asked Sebastien to make the text "Quit" with tooltip (something like.. this is from memory) "Log out, lock screen, switch users or power down the computer"

[Andrew Jorgensen (ajorg)]

The man who pays the bills should be deferred to, of course, and rightly so. But I'd like to emphasize that it still doesn't make perfect sense - "Quit," "No, don't, just lock my screen" isn't any better than "Start," "Shutdown"... actually in a way that makes better sense because at least you're "start"ing a "shutdown" process.

Don't get me wrong, I like the dialog, at least I like the way it looks, but it's more convenient - and makes more sense - to leave those actions separate.

I felt similarly about consolidating all the menu items in GDM to one "Options" menu - "Shutdown" isn't an option, it's an action. "Language" and "Session" are options. I also thought the old GDM theme was more pleasing to look at, the language icon looked nice and made it more obvious that you could choose your language.

If only the text is to change then I think I agree that "Quit" is as close as we're going to get to good.

[Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)]

It's certainly a compromise, and I hope the tooltip text is enough of a
disambiguator. Most people will FIRST want that button to power down
(thats what my folks do when they are done with using the computer) and
along the way they will discover that they have all these other ways to
step away.

[Dana Olson (adolson)]

Am I wrong in thinking that in Windows you have a Log Out option and that provides a similar dialog with several other options? If that is the case, then there are much bigger issues that new users have with Windows than the log out menu option.

Changing it to something else like "Stop Session" or "Leave Computer" or whatever is going to confuse even experienced Windows users.

I think it is fine the way it is now, as far as the option text goes, with the tooltip needing to be changed (I haven't done my daily update yet, so it might not still say what it says).

Log out username.. isn't really confusing, and I think it is a better option than any others suggested. Familiarity will go a long way for users coming from the other side too.

[Jbouze (jbouze)]

Regarding the logout applet, I have issues with the "switch user" button: it defaults to opening a new gdm prompt, which is fine if only one user is currently logged in. However, it's just plain wrong if several sessions are already open on the machine, and someone actually wants to switch between two of them, not open a new one.

Or do we expect the average Ubuntu user to guess they can Ctrl-Alt-F? between graphical sessions?

[Phil Housley (undeconstructed)]

That's true, but it's not this bug. Fast user swtich applet is a work around, but until that functionality is built deeper into Gnome, it's all fairly well broken.

[Sebastien Bacher (seb128)]

That bug is fixed, marking it as such. User switching could use some work for sure, fast-user-switch-applet make easier to switch between users for now if you want, but that's a different topic of that bug, let's stay focussed and not start a new discussion at the wrong place