Orca lose speech with hardyheron beta release

[Attila Hammer]

Binary package hint: gnome-orca

I using Ubuntu Hardyheron beta release with Orca 2.22.0 version. If I work, not constant time, orca is lose speech. If i rerun Orca, the problem is fix and orca speak again, but lose speech another time. I look this problem with my old Clevo notebook and my desktop computer, and this problem is present. My desktop computer parameters: Cpu: Amd Athlon64 X2, 3800+. Memory: 2X512 Mb DDR800 Mhz Kingmax ram. Hdd: Samsung 250 GB Sata-II hdd. Kernel version: linux-2.6.24 generic. Video card: Nvidia Geforce 6100 (integrated with my motherboard). My motherboard type: Asus MPW-mx. All security updates is present. I tryed upgrade with Orca svn trunk version, but the problem is not resolved. If I using Ubuntu 7.10 release, this problem is not present, the system was work correctly. I know, hardy yet is a beta release. I am using originaly espeak version part with Hardy Beta release.

[Luke Yelavich (themuso)]

What were you doing when you lost speech? Can you reproduce the loosing of speech with one particular action?

[Attila Hammer (hammera)]

Hello Luke.

Thanks you your letter
Well, this bug is very interesting, because not have a constant time for
speech loss. If I work the system with Orca e.g. with gedit application
and editing text, the speech loss not constant time. E.g. if I working
the translations with po files, it is a very lot of cursor positioning
move english text and hungarian text.
I don't know it is an espeak bug, or gnome-speech component bug, or orca
bug. I think this not Orca bug, because I see the debug.out file Orca
not crash, because after lose speech, I seed with debug.out file another
keystrokes and event I doed, e.g. I saved the po file, exited gedit
application, and copyed the debug.out file with another directory with
gnome-terminal but before I doing this actions Orca not speech.
This problem I reproduced not one machine, my desktop computer and old
laptop computer presents this problems, so, not a driver problem.
In weekend, I worked my laptop computer with hungarian translation
weekend. If I worked with root user, the speech loss problem very lot of
present, but if I worked with hammera user (my normal username), the
speech loss problem minimal number. (if I root logged in, five ten
fifteen minutes Orca alvays lose speech, if I worked hammera, speech
loss problem only number of free max five loss eight hour work).
I don't understand, what's the matter.
Because the blind people only root username doing the system
administration with speech, it is important work correct.

I tryed the latest espeak test version, not help.
Every day I update the system with apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
command, not solve this problem.

Have any ydeas what can I trying?

Thanks, and hope help.

Attila

[Attila Hammer (hammera)]

Well, this bug is very interesting, because not have a constant time for speech loss. If I work the system with Orca e.g. with gedit
application and editing text, the speech loss not constant time. E.g. if I working the translations with po files, it is a very lot of cursor positioning
 move english text and hungarian text. I don't know it is an espeak bug, or gnome-speech component bug, or orca bug. I think this not Orca bug, because
I see the debug.out file Orca not crash, because after lose speech, I seed with debug.out file another keystrokes and event I doed, e.g. I saved the
po file, exited gedit application, and copyed the debug.out file with another directory with gnome-terminal but before I doing this actions Orca not
speech. This problem I reproduced not one machine, my desktop computer and old laptop computer presents this problems, so, not a driver problem. In weekend,
I worked my laptop computer with hungarian translation weekend. If I logged root user with gdm and worked with root user, the speech loss problem very lot of present, but if I logged gdm with hammera and worked
with hammera user (my normal username), the speech loss problem minimal number. (if I root logged in, five ten fifteen minutes Orca alvays lose speech,
if I worked hammera, speech loss problem only number of free max five loss eight hour work).
I don't understand, what's the matter.
Because the blind people only root username doing the system administration with speech, it is important work correct.

I tryed the latest espeak test version, not help.
Every day I update the system with apt-get update, apt-get upgrade command, not solve this problem.

Have any ydeas what can I trying?

Thanks, and hope help.

[Stormdragon (stormdragon2976)]

I have experienced this bug too. It's still here in the final release of Hardy. It's impossible to reproduce with any reliability because it is so random. It just happened as I was writing this message. For me, it mostly happens with Firefox and Evolution. It can, however, occur in any application at any time.

[Attila Hammer (hammera)]

This problem present any application, any time with normal user and root user in final release. Not matter the new pulseaudio feature? Because in Gutsy this problem is not present. In yesterday, I logged irc with irc://freenode.org and #ubuntu-hu talk my friends. I Pidgin. Orca lose speech four time. In friday, I worked gedit an Openoffice.org writer, Orca lose speech six time. Every situations I logged with normal user, not root user. Orca version is 2.22.1, but I upgraded the Orca developing version, the problem is not fixed. It is not computer specific problem, because My desktop machine and my laptop produce same problem. How can using oldest method with Orca with using Gutsy? Hardy is a very good release.

[Andrew Beresford (beezly)]

I managed to reproduce this bug on hardy.

With Orca started and speech enabled, start up firefox. Quit firefox. Orca appears to shutdown gracefully!

[Stormdragon (stormdragon2976)]

I think I have found another way to reproduce this bug. Open a file or webpage with a lot of text/links. Use the arrow keys to move quickly up and down through the file or webpage. It seems to close Orca almost every time I do this. If you still have speech after moving rapidly through a file, start moving by letter and word, there's a 90 percent chance the bug will happen then. Pressing alt-f2 and typing orca followed by enter brings it back. I am not sure if it is actually closing Orca or just losing speech though.

[Attila Hammer (hammera)]

In sound preferences in system/settings menu I tryed uncheck enable software mixing (esd). After this, Orca not lose speech, but the sound playback is very slow.
This not a big problem. all sound device I setted up alsasink, and after this, I doing following steps:
1. install alsa-oss package:
sudo apt-get install alsa-oss
2. Edit the GNOME_Speech_SynthesisDriver_Espeak.server
file and replace this line:
                type="exe" location="/usr/bin/espeak-synthesis-driver"
with this line:
                type="exe" location="/usr/bin/aoss /usr/bin/espeak-synthesis-driver"

Quit orca, and rerun Orca. After this modification, my Orca work eight hour ago with not speech loss.

Possible fix native this problem? If turn on softvare mixing feature (/desktop/gnome/sounds/enable_esd setted up true), Orca lose speech again.

Attila

[Luke Yelavich (themuso)]

Is this still a problem in intrepid, or even jaunty?

[Stormdragon (stormdragon2976)]

It is still happening in Intrepid. I only tried Jaunty briefly, and I can't really remember if I had that problem there or not.

[Luke Yelavich (themuso)]

What speech synthesizer are you using, and are you using gnome-speech or speech-dispatcher?

[Stormdragon (stormdragon2976)]

I use espeak with gnome-speech. I have tried speech-dispatcher and the problem seems worse with it, as in the loss of speech happens every 5 or 10 minutes. It also happens with ibmtts.

[Attila Hammer (hammera)]

I will be testing Jaunty dayly release.
The yesterday dayly live cd I seeing if the accessibility mode is
selected, the pulseaudio service is disabled when I logged in the gnome
session.
pgrep pulseaudio does'nt produce a number, so I think pulseaudio is not run.
This is right?
I use Jaunty since Alpha3, so, Jaunty better and better the development
period, and if I disabled pulseaudio with oldest Jaunty Alpha releases,
this speech lost problem not produced Orca my free machines (my Desktop
computer, my Toshiba Satelite L300 notebook and my Asus Eeepc701 netbook).

If the pulseaudio disabled by default when the accessibility
installation is choosed, this is the right way to solve this problem my
free machines.

Attila

[Attila Hammer (hammera)]

I forgot writing:
I using Espeak speechsinthesizer and gnome-speech with orca with my
Jaunty system.

Attila

[Luke Yelavich (themuso)]

Is this problem still showing up with jaunty latest updates?

[Attila Hammer (hammera)]

Yes, I see this problem with lot of machines. I disabled pulseaudio.
I try downgrade libportaudio package, see my letter with ubuntu
accessibility list. Partial this is solve the problem. I hope help you.

Attila

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