Asturian language appears in boot menu, but not works

[costales]

Binary package hint: gfxboot-theme-ubuntu

The asturian language appears in the first menu.
But if it is selected, nothing happens, the main menu appears in English.

- The menu will always appear in English (with Asturian selected).
- The direct installer (second option in the main menu) has very little phrases in Asturian.
- Once installed Ubuntu appears in Asturian if you do a "direct installation".

Can you review it, please?
Thank you very much!!! ;)

If you need more information, please, say me ;)

[costales (costales)]

Hi!
Maybe I found the problem :O
If I run a Live session, the Asturian is selected in "Language Support" application.
But... the Asturian language isn't installed!
I send a screen shot: http://acurti.es/yea

Maybe the problem is this? :O
Best regards.

[costales (costales)]

Hi!
I investigated more.
When I run Ubuntu in live mode, with Asturian language choosed, only the languages: English, Portuguese, Spanish & Xhosa are installed in the application "Language Support" in System/Administration menu of Ubuntu.
I think the installer isn't in asturian because aren't the language .mo files.
Can you check this, please?
Thanks very much!!

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

Most languages don't have .mo files available while running the live CD.
The language packs are installed during installation and available after
the first reboot. This is known and expected; we don't have disk space
for more. Sorry.

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

(This has no bearing on whether the installer is translated; it
intentionally doesn't use language packs.)

[costales (costales)]

Hi!
Then I do not know which is the expected result.... :O

If I choose the Asturian language in live mode, must be appear in Asturian the desktop? and when I choose install from the GNOME menu in live mode, must be appear in Asturian the installer?

If I choose the Asturian language in install mode, must be appear in Asturian language the installer?

If I choose the Asturian language in boot menu, must be change to the Asturian language the strings?

Thanks and best regards.

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

The following are the expected results (though almost certainly not 100%
in place yet):

  * When you select Asturian at the CD boot menu, menu items change to
    Asturian.
  * In live mode, the desktop appears in English (unfortunately).
  * In live mode, the "Install" icon on the desktop is translated into
    Asturian.
  * The installer is translated into Asturian. If you selected Asturian
    at the boot menu, the installer should come up that way
    automatically; otherwise, you can cause it to be translated into
    Asturian by selecting the appropriate entry in the language menu on
    the installer's first page.
  * After installation, the desktop is translated into Asturian.

[costales (costales)]

Hi Colin.
Well, I was reviewing all cases, the results are these (for alpha4 karmic koala Ubuntu 9.10):

* When you select Asturian at the CD boot menu, menu items change to Asturian: NOT WORKS. Appears in English. You can see in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJV1P1NkzWU

* In live mode, the desktop appears in English (unfortunately): WORKS, appears in english.

* In live mode, the "Install" icon on the desktop is translated into Asturian. NOT WORKS. Appears in english. You can see in this picture http://img258.yfrog.com/i/semeya4.png/

* The installer is translated into Asturian. If you selected Asturian at the boot menu, the installer should come up that way automatically; otherwise, you can cause it to be translated into Asturian by selecting the appropriate entry in the language menu on the installer's first page.
Well, In general (90%) the installer appears in english, but the installer has a little (10%) phrases in english. I don't understand this. I send you some pictures for understand this issue (in red box some asturian strings, but you can see the english strings in others sites on each windows):
http://img254.imageshack.us/i/semeya1.png/
http://img412.imageshack.us/i/semeya2.png/
http://img402.imageshack.us/i/semeya3.png/
http://img254.imageshack.us/i/semeya5.png/
http://img254.imageshack.us/i/semeya6.png/
http://img254.imageshack.us/i/semeya7.png/
http://img513.imageshack.us/i/semeya8.png/
http://img412.imageshack.us/i/semeya9.png/
http://img510.imageshack.us/i/semeya91.png/

* After installation, the desktop is translated into Asturian. WORKS, but DON'T WORKS for Firefox. Firefox always appears in English.
If I go to about:config, general.useragent.locale his value is "en-US", and must be "ast". If I update the system and reboot, Firefox continues in English.
If I change "en-US" for "ast" and reboot Firefox, not appears in Asturian.

Thanks Colin ;) I give you more work with this issue, sorry :$

[ivarela (ivarela)]

Hi Marcos and Colin,

Thanks for your efforts in this bug.
I have been reviewing the images and is a strange thing:

in image 6 ----> http://img254.imageshack.us/i/semeya6.png/

The string: "Your new operating system will now be installed with the following settings:" appears in English, but it's translated into Asturian language since 2008-08-11, in debian-installer:

http://acurti.es/Eea

The string----> "Si sigues, los cambeos llistaos abaxo sedrán escritos nos discos. En too casu, ........." This string is correct. It appears in debian-installer too.

The same thing for all strings that appears in English "Ready to install", or "Advanced...", etc, and all the strings that appears in the images. They are fully translated into Asturian language in debian-installer.

If debian-installer is fully translated, why sometimes their strings appears in english, and sometimes in Asturian? Maybe there is a problem with the code of the language Asturian language "ast"? (I hope there's not a mistake with "as", assamese language...)

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

This should fix the CD boot menu items:

gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (0.8.2) karmic; urgency=low

  * Upgrade to debhelper v7.
  * Update translations from Launchpad.

 -- Colin Watson <email address hidden> Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:22:30 +0100

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:21:14AM -0000, Marcos wrote:
> * In live mode, the "Install" icon on the desktop is translated into
> Asturian. NOT WORKS. Appears in english. You can see in this picture
> http://img258.yfrog.com/i/semeya4.png/

I've updated the translations for this from Launchpad, but unfortunately
they need some retranslation work as the source text changed recently
and a technical problem meant that the .pot file wasn't updated. You
should get the opportunity to retranslate this in Launchpad the next
time ubiquity is uploaded.

> * The installer is translated into Asturian. If you selected Asturian
> at the boot menu, the installer should come up that way automatically;
> otherwise, you can cause it to be translated into Asturian by
> selecting the appropriate entry in the language menu on the
> installer's first page.
> Well, In general (90%) the installer appears in english, but the
> installer has a little (10%) phrases in english. I don't understand
> this. I send you some pictures for understand this issue (in red box
> some asturian strings, but you can see the english strings in others
> sites on each windows):

The installer doesn't use language packs, so even if you've translated
things in Launchpad it needs us to go and download them and incorporate
the new strings into the source packages. Unfortunately this process is
not yet automatic so don't be too surprised by random delays.

> http://img254.imageshack.us/i/semeya1.png/

The "Select your location" string is apparently not translated in
Launchpad; nor is "Zone".

Could you please get "Quit", "Back", and "Forward" translated properly
in *upstream* GTK+? That's the quickest way to get those translated in
the installer. As of GTK+ 2.17.7 they don't appear to be translated
there.

> http://img412.imageshack.us/i/semeya2.png/

"Erase and use the entire disk" is not translated in Launchpad.

I think I've committed fixes for everything else. You should see them by
Alpha 5.

(Also, note that some of the translation files will be moving from
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer
to
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubiquity/+pots/debconf
in the near future. We still have a bit of administrative stuff to do to
make this all work properly.)

> * After installation, the desktop is translated into Asturian. WORKS, but DON'T WORKS for Firefox. Firefox always appears in English.
> If I go to about:config, general.useragent.locale his value is "en-US", and must be "ast". If I update the system and reboot, Firefox continues in English.
> If I change "en-US" for "ast" and reboot Firefox, not appears in Asturian.

This isn't an installer problem - there doesn't appear to be any package
containing Asturian localisation for Firefox. If something exists for
this upstream, then you'd be best off talking to the Mozilla team to get
it packaged.

> Thanks Colin ;) I give you more work with this issue, sorry :$

Not a problem.

[ivarela (ivarela)]

If I have understood well the last comment, it seems that there weren't some translated strings. .....So I did it.

First:
I translated the whole GNOME GTK + 2.28 (development)
http://subefotos.com/ver/?d5503840399c0623d778663de1b23df3o.png
¿Is this correct? (I didn't find the GTK+ version 2.17.7)

Second:
in debconf, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubiquity/+pots/debconf

Third:
debian installer in Launchpad
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer

I hope this can help. I'm very interested in having the installer ready for karmic.... If it's necessary to do something more, please let me know.

regards.

[costales (costales)]

Hi Colin!
In Ubuntu 9.10 alpha5, the improvements for the asturian language installation are very good!
We're very happy with this installer!! :D THANKS!

But there are 3 bugs yet, can you check it, please?

1.- The most important: I choose "Asturian" version for the keyboard in the installer, but when I reboot the unique keyboard installed is the "Spanish" version.
You can see in the attachment picture, when I chose the Asturian version, the test box (for check the keyboard in the installer) works fine.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7237/screenshot1copy.png

2.- The "Quit", "Forward", "Back" buttons appears in english:
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5880/screenshot1n.png

3.- The timezone has the country names with his codes (in others languages appears the country name, not the country code).
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9320/screenshotmj.png

For points 2 and 3 may need some templates to translate? Can you confirm or say me that templates are?

THANKS VERY MUCH!

[costales (costales)]

Hello.
I did a little test on the keyboard.
If I install choosing English for everything, and I choose Asturian keyboard, when I restarting, the keyboard is the USA version, not the Asturian version.
A greeting.

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

I just tried (mode: "Install Ubuntu"; language: English; location: New
York; keyboard layout: Spanish; keyboard variant: Asturian) and can't
reproduce this. The keyboard is properly Asturian after reboot.

Can you give more details about exactly what you did? Please also attach
/var/log/installer/syslog and /etc/default/console-setup.

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

The "Quit", "Forward", and "Back" buttons need to be translated in upstream GTK+, as I explained in comment 10.

The timezone names live in the icu package, and as far as I can tell they actually originate in the Unicode CLDR (Common Locale Data Repository, http://cldr.unicode.org/); I think it would be well worth somebody getting Asturian translations done there. The process seems fairly complex, and in your case will involve a change request for a new locale in the CLDR before anything else (http://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports), but will be well worth it as the CLDR is used by quite a number of different organisations. I have no direct experience here and can't really help any further. You should expect some time to pass from CLDR data being added to it actually be visible in the Ubuntu installer, since it has to be incorporated into a release of the icu package first - but it will happen eventually.

[costales (costales)]

Hi Colin!
Sorry the delay, I was on hollidays and I can't reply before.

1.- Thanks by information about the buttons and timezone ;)

2.- About keyboard, I just tried your same installation (mode: "Install Ubuntu"; language: English; location: New York; keyboard layout: Spanish; keyboard variant: Asturian). You can review the configuration here:
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1034/installationu.png

It isn't in Asturian layout after reboot. The keyboard after reboot is the Spanish layout (In the GDM is spanish layout too, not Asturian) :O you can see here a screenshoot just after reboot:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3138/spanishd.png

The Asturian keyboard is equal to Spanish keyboard, but if you press <Alt+h> or <Alt+l> must be appear h or l with a bottom dot, you can see the 2 characters here:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2774/exampleastcharacters.png

The correct layout in keyboard configuration must be like this:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1941/asturian.png

Thanks for your support :)
Regards.

PS: Attachment /var/log/installer/syslog and /etc/default/console-setup.

[costales (costales)]

Hi!
I just tried the Ubuntu Karmic alpha6, and the bug in keyboard persists.
Thanks very much!

[costales (costales)]

Hi!
I'm thinking if the keyboard bug is from another package :O because:
  1. If I choose in Ubuntu 9.10 alpha 6, language Spanish & Asturian Keyboard, the keyboard in the reboot is Spain (wrong).
  2. If I choose in Ubuntu 9.04, language Spanish & Asturian Keyboard, the keyboard in the reboot is Asturian (correct).
What do you think, Colin?
Thanks very much!
Marcos.

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

I see this as well, but I don't think it's an installer bug, because
/etc/default/console-setup is correct; it just doesn't seem to be
getting applied properly. This should be filed separately, although I'm
afraid I don't know exactly where right now; I'd probably start with
xorg.

[ivarela (ivarela)]

Hi! I just tried Ubuntu 9.10 beta 6, the buttons appears in english (Forward & back) in the installer. We transtaled this template in GTK: http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/ast

can you confirm us if is this the correct template, please? Thanks very much!

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 10:57:43AM -0000, Iñigo Varela wrote:
> Hi! I just tried Ubuntu 9.10 beta 6,

No such thing; it was either alpha 6 or the beta.

> the buttons appears in english (Forward & back) in the installer. We
> transtaled this template in GTK:
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/ast

Please don't expect that to turn up in the Ubuntu installer instantly.
As I think I already explained, first there has to be an upstream GTK+
release, and then we have to incorporate that into the Ubuntu installer,
which we do semi-automatically but only every so often.

It looks like you've translated the right thing. At this point I would
appreciate it if you would be patient ...

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

The keyboard problem that you were having was bug 421212, now fixed.

[costales (costales)]

Hi Colin!
This bug is fixed in Ubuntu 9.10 Release Candidate! :D The installer in Asturian is perfect now :D
Thanks very much for your great support in this long way! ;)
Cheers!

[Colin Watson (cjwatson)]

Thank goodness for that. :-) Thanks for testing.