Here's my take on things and an attempt at some "constructive suggestions": 1. This EULA is bad. Why? Because when I install Ubuntu, I know exactly what I'm getting: free software (I'm ignoring the unfortunate necessity of closed-source drivers for the moment). Even if this EULA doesn't change this fact (and I don't think it does), it causes confusion and legal issues. I'm not a lawyer, just well-educated (and somewhat of a control enthusiast), and I always read everything I sign or just "I agree" to. The great thing about Ubuntu is that (except for those pesky drivers), I know that everything installed by default and everything I get from main is free software. I never have to worry about licenses. I've read the Debian Free Software Guidelines, the GPLv2 and the MPLv1.1. I know what I'm getting when I install Ubuntu (although I run Debian myself, so please correct me if I overlooked a difference between Debian and Ubuntu here). This EULA, even if it doesn't impact my freedom, means I (or you/a lawyer) have to read it, understand it, and agree to it. I'm pretty sure I would agree to it, but I shouldn't have to. (And please don't tell me I could just click "I agree" blindly, as that is at best bad practice and at worst a potential legal minefield.) 2. This EULA is unnecessary. As far as I can tell, it's unnecessary. Most of it is covered by the license(s). The only thing that stands out is the privacy policy, but that could be done better, e.g. by having a non-intrusive message (like the "download completed" one) informing the user that phishing protection is currently disabled. One click would lead to a link to the privacy policy and a choice between "I read the privacy policy, enable", "Disable", and "Ask me later, keep disabled for now". IMHO, as it provides the necessities without the nagging and excessive legalese just to use Firefox (the privacy policy will have some of course), this would keep everyone happy (including the live CD users). 3. Iceweasel should be provided by Ubuntu as well. I hope Mozilla and Ubuntu can come to the agreement that the EULA is bad and unnecessary (which seems to be the current sentiment) and remove it. I do however agree with Debian that e.g. having non-free artwork is bad. Therefore those of us who don't want it should be able to install a non-branded version of Firefox, while leaving the regular Firefox the default choice. I understand why Mozilla is protective of its trademarks, but Debian had a very important (if not very pragmatic, but I'm not a pragmatist) as well. We (the Debian and Ubuntu developers and users) should have firefox (unbranded) + firefox-branding-iceweasel in main and firefox-branding-firefox in non-free/restricted (but installed by default (in Ubuntu) for pragmatic reasons and because Mozilla (still) deserves our support). This should make everyone happy for now. Ideally though, we should have something like an official "Mozilla Firefox" with the Firefox logo and an unofficial "Debian/Ubuntu/... Firefox" (or some other name that implies a connection while making it clear it's unofficial) with a different (but recognisable, somewhat similar) logo (so we keep the two associated/related but distinct). This is similar to having the Debian open use and official use logos. That way Debian/Ubuntu users can have free artwork (if they want to) (and backported bugfixes etc.) while keeping the connection to Mozilla, without making that connection too strong (as it would be obviously unofficial). This seems to me the best compromise between idealism and pragmatism. - Felix -- Felix C. Stegerman