| 2008-09-13 02:34:32 |
William Grant |
bug |
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added bug |
| 2008-09-13 03:42:53 |
Brian Curtis |
firefox-3.0: status |
New |
Invalid |
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| 2008-09-13 03:42:53 |
Brian Curtis |
firefox-3.0: statusexplanation |
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I cannot see how this is a bug. The notification is a one-time thing and can be closed and ignored. |
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| 2008-09-13 05:59:29 |
William Grant |
firefox-3.0: status |
Invalid |
New |
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| 2008-09-13 05:59:29 |
William Grant |
firefox-3.0: statusexplanation |
I cannot see how this is a bug. The notification is a one-time thing and can be closed and ignored. |
No other common piece of software does this, and Firefox never has before. |
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| 2008-09-13 08:39:19 |
Sarah Kowalik |
firefox-3.0: status |
New |
Confirmed |
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| 2008-09-13 08:39:19 |
Sarah Kowalik |
firefox-3.0: importance |
Undecided |
High |
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| 2008-09-13 08:39:19 |
Sarah Kowalik |
firefox-3.0: statusexplanation |
No other common piece of software does this, and Firefox never has before. |
Yeah....what is with this? Milestoning to get it on the release team radar. |
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| 2008-09-13 08:39:19 |
Sarah Kowalik |
firefox-3.0: milestone |
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intrepid-alpha-6 |
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| 2008-09-14 20:08:59 |
Jonathan Ernst |
bug |
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assigned to firefox |
| 2008-09-15 14:40:34 |
Jordi Mallach |
bug |
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added subscriber Toni Hermoso Pulido |
| 2008-09-15 17:21:35 |
Robert Penz |
bug |
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added attachment 'ubuntu_firefox.png' (ubuntu_firefox.png) |
| 2008-09-17 07:13:57 |
Steve Langasek |
firefox-3.0: statusexplanation |
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I understand the concerns about the appropriateness of EULAs in free software programs (in part because I share them), but I don't see that anything here warrants being a blocker for the alpha-6 milestone release, so I'm dropping the milestone value for this bug. In terms of the bug being on the release team's radar, I think that's accomplished - it seems all the world is aware of this bug at this point. But I think there are several arguments against treating this as a blocker to be resolved prior to alpha-6:
- The EULA in question does not, from what I understand, require you to agree with it before using the browser. Actually, thus far I've closed the tab without reading it or giving my assent to it (and therefore, without effecting any binding agreement...) So this is not, to my reading, a critical bug in the sense of non-free software having snuck into main, the primary impact of the bug is that the EULA is a nuisance. (Indeed, it appears that the EULA tab is opened up every time I resume a firefox session - I'm not sure whether this is intentional, or whether folks would agree this is a bug, and that the EULA is only meant to be shown to the user once?)
- Even if the EULA were to demand a click-through, the fact that the source license remains free means I would have the option to edit the source as a user to bypass the EULA entirely. Not that I'm arguing this is a good overall solution, of course; I think it would be bad for Ubuntu if users by and large felt they needed to route around Ubuntu's default browser for such a reason. But I think it does mitigate the urgency of this bug, especially in light of the unbranded abrowser package that has been made available in Ubuntu.
- There is not a clear consensus within the Ubuntu community that this is a bug, or if it is a bug, what the appropriate solution to the bug looks like, and it's not appropriate to block the milestone indefinitely while such a consensus develops.
I would also remind the many folks who have been commenting in this bug log that Ubuntu being a community distribution does not mean that Ubuntu development decisions are made by either popular vote or applause-o-meter, and that the launchpad bugs system is not a discussion forum. I'm confident that every effort is being made to ensure that the outcome here is acceptable to the Ubuntu community (and the larger Free Software community), but repeating points here that have been made previously is not going to have a substantial effect on bringing about your preferred outcome; indeed, I think the main impact it has is to make this bug log frighteningly long and hard to find information in, and cause a mail storm for the poor developers who are tasked with maintaining the firefox packages in Ubuntu. Please consider whether you're adding new content in this discussion, or if the second 400 bug comments are going to be repeats of the first 400. |
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| 2008-09-17 07:13:57 |
Steve Langasek |
firefox-3.0: milestone |
intrepid-alpha-6 |
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| 2008-09-18 16:47:21 |
Bug Watch Updater |
firefox: status |
Unknown |
New |
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| 2008-09-19 10:07:50 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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assigned to ubufox (Ubuntu) |
| 2008-09-19 10:13:24 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: status |
New |
In Progress |
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| 2008-09-19 10:13:24 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: importance |
Undecided |
High |
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| 2008-09-19 10:13:24 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: statusexplanation |
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The following tasks are in progress to fix this bug in ubuntu:
1. firefox-3.0 - implement the "Know Your Rights..." approach which was presented here: http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/09/17/mock-ups-available-for-notices-previously-was-eula/
2. ubufox - back-out the firstrun EULA
Thanks,
- Alexander |
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| 2008-09-19 10:14:00 |
Alexander Sack |
firefox-3.0: status |
Confirmed |
In Progress |
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| 2008-09-19 10:14:00 |
Alexander Sack |
firefox-3.0: statusexplanation |
I understand the concerns about the appropriateness of EULAs in free software programs (in part because I share them), but I don't see that anything here warrants being a blocker for the alpha-6 milestone release, so I'm dropping the milestone value for this bug. In terms of the bug being on the release team's radar, I think that's accomplished - it seems all the world is aware of this bug at this point. But I think there are several arguments against treating this as a blocker to be resolved prior to alpha-6:
- The EULA in question does not, from what I understand, require you to agree with it before using the browser. Actually, thus far I've closed the tab without reading it or giving my assent to it (and therefore, without effecting any binding agreement...) So this is not, to my reading, a critical bug in the sense of non-free software having snuck into main, the primary impact of the bug is that the EULA is a nuisance. (Indeed, it appears that the EULA tab is opened up every time I resume a firefox session - I'm not sure whether this is intentional, or whether folks would agree this is a bug, and that the EULA is only meant to be shown to the user once?)
- Even if the EULA were to demand a click-through, the fact that the source license remains free means I would have the option to edit the source as a user to bypass the EULA entirely. Not that I'm arguing this is a good overall solution, of course; I think it would be bad for Ubuntu if users by and large felt they needed to route around Ubuntu's default browser for such a reason. But I think it does mitigate the urgency of this bug, especially in light of the unbranded abrowser package that has been made available in Ubuntu.
- There is not a clear consensus within the Ubuntu community that this is a bug, or if it is a bug, what the appropriate solution to the bug looks like, and it's not appropriate to block the milestone indefinitely while such a consensus develops.
I would also remind the many folks who have been commenting in this bug log that Ubuntu being a community distribution does not mean that Ubuntu development decisions are made by either popular vote or applause-o-meter, and that the launchpad bugs system is not a discussion forum. I'm confident that every effort is being made to ensure that the outcome here is acceptable to the Ubuntu community (and the larger Free Software community), but repeating points here that have been made previously is not going to have a substantial effect on bringing about your preferred outcome; indeed, I think the main impact it has is to make this bug log frighteningly long and hard to find information in, and cause a mail storm for the poor developers who are tasked with maintaining the firefox packages in Ubuntu. Please consider whether you're adding new content in this discussion, or if the second 400 bug comments are going to be repeats of the first 400. |
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| 2008-09-19 10:15:19 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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assigned to ubufox |
| 2008-09-19 10:15:44 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: status |
New |
In Progress |
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| 2008-09-19 10:15:44 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: importance |
Undecided |
High |
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| 2008-09-19 10:15:44 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: statusexplanation |
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| 2008-09-19 10:56:21 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: status |
In Progress |
Fix Committed |
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| 2008-09-19 10:56:21 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: statusexplanation |
The following tasks are in progress to fix this bug in ubuntu:
1. firefox-3.0 - implement the "Know Your Rights..." approach which was presented here: http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2008/09/17/mock-ups-available-for-notices-previously-was-eula/
2. ubufox - back-out the firstrun EULA
Thanks,
- Alexander |
ubufox part of this bug is now "fix committed" in bzr. Remember that firefox-3.0 task is _still_ "in progress".
If you want to track the progress, the "Related Branches" are linked below the bug summary. |
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| 2008-09-19 11:02:49 |
Alexander Sack |
ubufox: status |
In Progress |
Fix Committed |
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| 2008-09-20 14:08:46 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'firstrun1.png' (Screenshot: proposed firstrun) |
| 2008-09-20 14:09:32 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'about_rights.png' (Screenshot: proposed about:rights (default)) |
| 2008-09-20 14:10:09 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'about_rights_expanded.png' (Screenshot: proposed about:rights (expanded)) |
| 2008-09-22 14:39:17 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'firstrun2.png' (Screenshot: proposed firstrun (rev2)) |
| 2008-09-22 14:40:47 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'about_rights.png' (Screenshot: proposed about:rights (default) (rev2)) |
| 2008-09-22 14:41:35 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'about_rights_expanded.png' (Screenshot: proposed about:rights (expanded) (rev2)) |
| 2008-09-23 11:33:13 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'firstrun.png' (Screenshot: release-candidate firstrun (rev3)) |
| 2008-09-23 11:34:10 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'about_rights.png' (Screenshot: release-candidate about:rights (default) (rev3)) |
| 2008-09-23 11:34:48 |
Alexander Sack |
bug |
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added attachment 'about_rights_expanded.png' (Screenshot: release-candidate about:rights (expanded) (rev3)) |
| 2008-09-23 11:40:47 |
Alexander Sack |
firefox-3.0: status |
In Progress |
Fix Committed |
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| 2008-09-23 11:40:47 |
Alexander Sack |
firefox-3.0: statusexplanation |
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I am pleased to say that we reached a state where I feel comfortable to call this bug "fix committed".
Thanks to all for contributing, testing and providing feedback.
The screenshots i just posted reflect the current state as of rev 337 on the firefox-3.0.head branch, which is most likely what will get uploaded to intrepid quite soon.
Thanks again,
- Alexander |
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| 2008-09-23 23:35:06 |
Launchpad Janitor |
firefox-3.0: status |
Fix Committed |
Fix Released |
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| 2008-09-23 23:35:19 |
Launchpad Janitor |
ubufox: status |
Fix Committed |
Fix Released |
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| 2008-11-20 17:33:53 |
Bug Watch Updater |
firefox: status |
New |
Invalid |
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| 2008-11-20 20:42:16 |
Przemek K. |
firefox: status |
Invalid |
Unknown |
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| 2008-11-20 20:42:16 |
Przemek K. |
firefox: statusexplanation |
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| 2008-11-20 20:53:38 |
Bug Watch Updater |
firefox: status |
Unknown |
Fix Released |
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| 2008-12-21 15:35:20 |
Daniël H. |
ubufox: status |
Fix Committed |
Fix Released |
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| 2008-12-21 15:35:20 |
Daniël H. |
ubufox: statusexplanation |
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released |
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| 2009-06-24 07:39:07 |
Launchpad Janitor |
branch linked |
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lp:ubuntu/karmic/firefox-3.0 |
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| 2009-09-29 02:03:57 |
Launchpad Janitor |
branch linked |
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lp:ubuntu/ubufox |
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| 2010-09-18 11:16:36 |
Bug Watch Updater |
firefox: importance |
Unknown |
Critical |
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| 2010-09-18 11:48:00 |
GeorgeB |
removed subscriber solar.george |
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