[M76] [ubuntu 9.04] [ubuntu 9.10] [ubuntu 10.04] slow unminimizing with ati card and desktop effects enabled

[Fabien V]

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The comment list to this bug reach a point of entries at this we must declare this buglist for "full". The buglist appears unreadable for many people because of launchpad timeouts. So it was the decision to make a new entry in launchpad as a successor of this bug. You should use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/568988 instead. Thanks.
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[updated]
Since the new version of ubuntu/kubuntu (9.04 jaunty) a new bug occurs with ATI cards and desktop effects enabled.
With fglrx driver, the unminimizing of windows is really slow ... it can take from 1 to 3 seconds.
Also, the maximizing, unmaximizing and Alt+Tab present the same problem.
The opening of a window present the same bug, freezing the system for 1sec.
This bug is under both gnome and kde (4.2.1)

(I have an ATI HD2600 Mobility Pro )

[lspci]
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a00] (rev 03)
     Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:011e]
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series] [1002:9581]
     Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:011e]

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

Hi, same problem. To avoid this bug I've disabled my desktop effects. Very annoying bug.

[Bryce Harrington (bryce)]

Hi hcoohb,

Please attach the output of `lspci -vvnn`, and attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (and maybe Xorg.0.log.old) file from after reproducing this issue. If you've made any customizations to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf please attach that as well.

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[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

Hi,

here is my information. I have the same problem. The unminimizing is too slow.
Also the same issue with "Maximazing/Unmaximazing".

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

Any progress for this bug? Possibly there is some kind of solution to avoid slowness and do not to disable the effects.

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

By the way I have

ATI Radeon HD3600 512Mb

and effects are very slow, especially unminimizing, maximizing, unmaximizing and woody windows

But if I run "glxgears" it gives me for about >2500 FPS :(

[Bryce Harrington (bryce)]

Please attach files separately rather than in a compressed file.

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

lspci -vvnn output

[Frédéric Kerneuzet (contact-kerneuzet)]

Just a post to say that I confirme this behaviour on my computer too :
Jaunty AMD64 Beta, ATI Radeon HD3850.

Frédéric

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

Gnome menu close/open operations are quite slow too, if menu effects are enabled.

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

Its not only "unminimizing" effect is too slow.

I've found that all my system slows down on "unminimize/maximize/unmaximize" ("minimize" is works smoothly by the way).

Slowdown is global because for example even my music player stops playback for couple seconds during "unminimizing" huge applications.

Overal system slowdown period is from 1 to 4 seconds and depends on application I'm unminimizing.

For example if I'm "unminimizing" the application like FireFox with over 15 tabs tha holds about 450 Mb RAM it slows down all the system for about 3 seconds and y music player stops playback for 1 second.

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

What additional information I should provide in order to investigate this bug entirely?

[Fabien V (hcooh)]

Sorry, I was not at home.

And I have exactly the same problem than Joseph. The unminimizing/maximizing/unmaximizing and the opening of a new window make the total system stops for a little time.

Here is the lspci -vvnn output :

[Fabien V (hcooh)]

The /var/log/Xorg.0.log :

[Fabien V (hcooh)]

the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old

[Fabien V (hcooh)]

and the Xorg.conf I am currently using

[kewang (cpckewang)]

Hello, I have the same problem

as attachments.

[cristian (botzoboy)]

I had the same problem like Joseph with Jaunty on my ThinkPad T42 And this made me to go back to Intrepid. I upgraded to jaunty final release and the problem still persist. any progres to resolve this???

[Sergey Sventitski (sergey-sventitski-deactivatedaccount-deactivatedaccount)]

Same problem Lenovo T500 with ATI 3650

[orellus (orelus-deactivatedaccount)]

Same problem with HD 3650

[Kendall (conrad-php)]

And in Dell Studio 1537 with ATI HD 3400.
Also resizing windows is sub-par. Getting CPU peaks from maximising a terminal..
This is with vanilla everything + FGLRX from jockey.

[Kendall (conrad-php)]

Also noticed it seems to be happning with the Alt+Tab shifter. Confirm/deny?

[em1n3m (dragosn-1)]

Same problem here with ATI Radeon HD 3870.
Slow maximizing effect of all desktop windows.

[orellus (orelus-deactivatedaccount)]

confirm with Alt+Tab shifter just with compiz, for me

[Michel (degreef-michel)]

KDE Windows with effect extremely slow. Creation of new window, moving windows or resizing are all affected.
I believe it is related to ATI card, I am using a Mobility Radeon 3650.

I notice on my monitor that both Xorg and plasma are taking most of my computer resources even when no activity takes place: On the average I would say that palsma takes about 50% of CPU and Xorg about 10%. This is on an Intel Core2 Duo CPU's computer. My screen resolution is 1920x1200.

I upgraded from Kubuntu 8.10 (completely up-to-date) to Kubuntu 9.04 on the day of the official release, using the alternate disk image for the upgrade. About half the upgrade was taken from the CD I burnt, the last half straight from the repository. That happened following a restart of the upgrade process.

I had no speed problems with 8.10. With 9.04 it takes up to 5 seconds to maximise, or minimise) a window, and about 2-3 seconds to create one.

Here are some relevant details. Let me know if anything else may be useful.

***********
lshw:
***********
---
*-display
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: Mobility Radeon HD 3650
                vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                version: 00
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=fglrx_pci latency=0 module=fglrx
...

***********
xorg.conf
***********
Section "ServerLayout"
 Identifier "aticonfig Layout"
 Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "Module"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
 Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
 Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
 Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
 Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
 Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
 Driver "fglrx"
 BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
 Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
 Device "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
 Monitor "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
 DefaultDepth 24
 SubSection "Display"
  Viewport 0 0
  Depth 24
 EndSubSection
EndSection

[Mohammad Alhobayyeb (mih1406)]

Ubuntu Every thing is slower!!

*************************
xorg.conf
*************************
Section "Monitor"
 Identifier "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
 Identifier "Default Screen"
 Monitor "Configured Monitor"
 Device "Configured Video Device"
 DefaultDepth 24
EndSection

Section "Module"
 Load "glx"
EndSection

Section "Device"
 Identifier "Configured Video Device"
 Driver "fglrx"
EndSection

[LastHylian (goodwin87)]

Slow for me as well...

# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# Note that some configuration settings that could be done previously
# in this file, now are automatically configured by the server and settings
# here are ignored.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
# sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "ServerLayout"
 Identifier "aticonfig Layout"
 Screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "Module"
 Load "glx"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
 Identifier "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Device"
 Identifier "Configured Video Device"
 Driver "fglrx"
 BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
 Identifier "Default Screen"
 Device "Configured Video Device"
 Monitor "Configured Monitor"
 DefaultDepth 24
EndSection

**********************************
                         lspci
**********************************

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 02)
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 02)
00:1a.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 02)
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 92)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801IH (ICH9DH) LPC Interface Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 4 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.5 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3600 Series
01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV635 Audio device [Radeon HD 3600 Series]
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semico...

[draenoch (draenoch)]

I have experienced the same problems as described in the first post on a lenovo Thinkpad W500 (with an ATI FireGL graphics card, incorrectly identified as a Radeon HD3650) running ubuntu 9.04.

Enabling the restricted ATI driver causes the creation and maximisation of windows to be really slow (100% cpu usage) and lead to system instability (simultaneously running firefox, glxgears and a terminal made x.org unresponsive; I needed a hard reset).

After disabling the restricted ATI driver the problems disappeared.

I have experienced this problem after upgrading from xubuntu 8.10 (which did not seem to have this problem) to xubuntu 9.04 and after a fresh (no manual changes to xorg.conf or other configuration files) install of ubuntu 9.04.

If more people with recent ATI graphics hardware are also experiencing this problem (together with system instability), it might be a good idea to increase the severity of this bug report since it seriously hampers the `desktop experience'.

lspci output:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub (rev 07)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Graphics Port (rev 07)
00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset MEI Controller (rev 07)
00:03.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PT IDER Controller (rev 07)
00:03.3 Serial controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset AMT SOL Redirection (rev 07)
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M-E LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650
03:00.0 Network controller: I...

[seahome45 (seahome45)]

same problem here in Ubuntu 9.04 final with Ati HD3650, slow for loading, maximizing, un-maximizing.

lspci -vvnn

00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a40] (rev 07)
 Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:20e0]
 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
 Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
 Latency: 0
 Capabilities: <access denied>
 Kernel modules: intel-agp

00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Graphics Port [8086:2a41] (rev 07)
 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx+
 Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
 Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
 Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=0
 I/O behind bridge: 00002000-00002fff
 Memory behind bridge: cff00000-cfffffff
 Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000d0000000-00000000dfffffff
 Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ <SERR- <PERR-
 BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR+ NoISA- VGA+ MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
  PriDiscTmr- SecDiscTmr- DiscTmrStat- DiscTmrSERREn-
 Capabilities: <access denied>
 Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
 Kernel modules: shpchp

00:03.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset MEI Controller [8086:2a44] (rev 07)
 Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:20e6]
 Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
 Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx+
 Latency: 0
 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
 Region 0: Memory at fc226800 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16]
 Capabilities: <access denied>

00:03.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PT IDER Controller [8086:2a46] (rev 07) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO])
 Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:20ea]
 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
 Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
 Interrupt: pin C routed to IRQ 18
 Region 0: I/O ports at 1820 [size=8]
 Region 1: I/O ports at 1814 [size=4]
 Region 2: I/O ports at 1818 [size=8]
 Region 3: I/O ports at 1810 [size=4]
 Region 4: I/O ports at 1800 [size=16]
 Capabilities: <access denied>

00:03.3 Serial controller [0700]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset AMT SOL Redirection [8086:2a47] (rev 07) (prog-if 02)
 Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:20ec]
 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
 Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
 Latency: 0
 Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 17
 Region 0: I/O ports at 1828 [size=8]
 Region 1: Memory at fc224000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
 Capabilities: <access denied>
 Kernel driver in use: serial

00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: In...

[Mohammad Alhobayyeb (mih1406)]

Ubuntu Every thing is slower!!

ASUS F8Vseries
Model: F8VR
CPU: Due T5800
Display: 14" WXGA+
ODD: DVD Sup.MTI.
Wireless: 802.11+BT
HD: 250GB
Memory: 2GB
Graphics: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470; VRAM: 256MB

*************************
xorg.conf
*************************
Section "Monitor"
 Identifier "Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
 Identifier "Default Screen"
 Monitor "Configured Monitor"
 Device "Configured Video Device"
 DefaultDepth 24
EndSection

Section "Module"
 Load "glx"
EndSection

Section "Device"
 Identifier "Configured Video Device"
 Driver "fglrx"
EndSection

[RDL (rdeleonp)]

Same here, 9.04 final.

[ZaHACKieL (zahackiel)]

I confirm the bug in a Dell Studio 1735 with ATI Mobility Radeon HD3650

[Joseph Chereshnovsky (joseph.chereshnovsky)]

Confirming that Alt+Tab shifter is slow to and also windows resizing is slow...

[caller9 (3-launchpad-wirebox-cjb-net)]

Confirmed here as well. AMD64 with HD3600 (vendor: 1002 device: 9596).

Visual effects were enabled at normal after fresh install with fglrx installed via "restricted drivers" GUI. Rebooted just in case, visual effects still running. Slow window restore/maximize/unmaximize.

From Appearances GUI I disabled visual effects and could not re-enable. It gives a generic error "Desktop effects could not be enabled."

If I run compiz from terminal window, it works. Still have slow window restore/maximize/unmaximize.

It does give this warning when ran from command line:
/usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format

[António Lima (amrlima)]

Same issue here with an HD3400. Metacity composite is also slow.

[madias (mad-ias)]

same issue with a mobility HD2600, nothing further to post as not said.

[Kendall (conrad-php)]

Noticed a few times that sometimes the window borders etc did not load when unminimising a window - this is probably unrelated as I had been playing with the metacity theme, but what is interesting is that when this happened unminimizing the window happened without lag - just without the borders.

This leads me to believe that it may somehow be related to metacity rather than compiz as a whole. Could this be possible?

[LastHylian (goodwin87)]

I have also noticed that Gnome-do shows some lag v.s. my previous Hardy install. It still has a little bit of lag even without compiz, but with compiz it is almost unbearable (1 ~ 2 seconds), at least for me. So, my guess is it is a combo of the new Xorg and a lack of driver support. What did they change in-between distros?! It's driving me nuts!

[Yigit Güneli (yiit)]

i did install the fglrx-installer 2:8.721-0ubuntu3 package in lucid, and the bug is still present. and i don't think there is a ppa for lucid yet.

[WoodyEckelzone (bcr497)]

Or simply force k0ekk0ek 's version of x-server-core in synaptic.
Select x-server-core package
CTRL E
Choose k0ekk0ek backclear patch (4.1)

Easy, works fine

[Nicolas Delvaux (malizor)]

No updates about this. It's a shame.

Any feedback about #399 ?
Any ppa for Lucid ?

[Alf Gaida (agaida)]

Hi,
after switching from VirtualBox to real hardware, the good old ATI-Backclear-Bug appears. Doing nice things as searching for another linux distribution i decided to give lucid a chance. As described in the artikle below i downloaded patch and the actual X server and patched it folloing Daëavelwyn:

Comment 256 for bug 351186
Daëavelwyn wrote on 2009-10-10:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186/comments/256

In a few words: download, patch, build, install, smile. The speed issues are gone and i can't see memory leaks in my system. All seems to be o.k. this time. Thanks to Daëavelwyn, Felix and all others belong to this problem.

I think that's a shame that this bug isn't fixed for a so long time, but it's not the fault of Ubuntu, Debian ore someone in the Distributions. I have tried all major distries with the same result: The bug occurs. Do the people at Xorg nor ATI no about it. The bug occurs with several Xorg servers and ATI-drivers. Why to fuck doesn't anybody analyse and fix this shit for ever. Patching is nice but dosn't solve the problem. If there are any ideas for promoting this bug, tell me. I'm fixing this fucking pice of code the xx. time and it sucks off. Any time i get a new version i have to do this and dont now as the fix will work. Its sucks. Buying a nvidia card can't be the klue. (Whats about my Dell Studio with ATI). For my second Workstation i solved the problem finally. i bought a mainbord with a Intel G41 on it. Without the patch it work faster then my main-desktop. it's really a showstopper for new Linux (Ubuntu) users, as i have to patch a grown driver in front of a noob...

If i know to set up a ppa i would.

[Alf Gaida (agaida)]

Finally i managed setting up a ppa with the path posted by Felix Kuehling. Have tested it on both i386 and x86_64. For me it worked like charm. You can find th ppa here.

https://launchpad.net/~info-g-com/+archive/xserver-xorg-1.7.6-gc

Feel fŕee to try it out. Other question: What can we do to fix this issue finally?

[michael mestre (michael-mestre)]

This bug also affects me with Ubuntu 9.10 and Radeon HD 2400.
See here for technical details:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/559943

The fix described above with the PPA doesn't work for me. I tried adding the PPA, but the directory where the files supposedly reside doesn't exist (only a lucid/ subdir exists in http://ppa.launchpad.net/info-g-com/xserver-xorg-1.7.6-gc/ubuntu/dists/ ).
When I manually add the software source with the lucid/ subdir, I can install the patch but nothing changes.

How can I install this patch in Ubuntu 9.10 ? Thank you !

[madmed (medbelh)]

this ppa https://launchpad.net/~k0ekk0ek/+archive/ppa solved the problem in karmic

[michael mestre (michael-mestre)]

Thank you madmed. Who has this package been approved by ? I could not see any auth info.

[Daëavelwyn (daeavelwyn)]

Hi,

You can try to apply this method to your problem :
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186/comments/256

just think in changing the xorg version (you seem to have the 1.7.6 instead
of the 1.6.3)

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 10:50 PM, michael mestre <email address hidden>wrote:

> Thank you madmed. Who has this package been approved by ? I could not
> see any auth info.
>
> --
> [M76] [ubuntu 9.04] [ubuntu 9.10] [ubuntu 10.04] slow unminimizing with ati
> card and desktop effects enabled
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/351186
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

[Bryce Harrington (bryce)]

@Alf, your frustration with the bug is understandable, however there is no call for such uncivil language.

[Bryce Harrington (bryce)]

I've set up another PPA with the patch for testing:

  https://edge.launchpad.net/~bryceharrington/+archive/violet

The issue and reason this isn't in Ubuntu (and probably why it's not upstream either), is that I *think* this risks causing regressions for non-fglrx cases. Maybe I'm wrong though, so I've set up this PPA for people to test.

A. What we need is solid proof of the following:

  1. No visible regression on -intel with compiz turned on
  2. No visible regression on -ati with compiz turned on
  3. No visible regression on -nouveau with compiz turned on
  4. No visible regression on -nvidia with compiz turned on
  5. No visible regression on at least one video driver with kde kwin desktop effects turned on

(Don't bother confirming on -fglrx, we already know it's fine there; this bug already has over 400 comments, and if people post more comments it'll just bloat up the bug report to the point where it won't load anymore.)

Alternatively, I could accept either of the following:

  B. Rejigger the patch so its logic is only enabled when the fglrx driver is loaded

  C. Forward the patch upstream to Debian or bugs.freedesktop.org and get it accepted into the upstream xserver, from which we can pull a cherrypick patch.

[Alf Gaida (agaida)]

@Bryce #419
I dont think so.
@Bryce #420
Full ACK. As i wrote, a patch can't be the final solution. But i think, as the bug is present for over two releases of ubuntu, there must be a "semi-official" ppa or so one. This means, the ppa has to be promoted in the wiki, faq etc. I know that the people at ATI are working on this problem too. Promoting a ppa give new users the chance to find it quickly and for the maintainers the chance to keep it actual in a simple way. And it were the right place for the "good news" that it is obsolete. if there are a final solution.

Keeping Marks words about the meaning of ubuntu in mind - these words mean to me, give new users a fair chance enjoing ubuntu too. For me it is no big problem aplying the patch and be happy. I dont know how it shows for a first time ubuntu-(linux)-user.

Another time - this bug is a real SHOWSTOPPER.

[Nicolas Delvaux (malizor)]

I already proposed B (via a special patched xserver version which should replace current xserver when installing fglrx from repositories).
I think it's the easier/better solution: No need to worry about potentials regressions on nvidia, intel or whatever else.

The patch is ready NOW, this just need an update to fglrx dependencies and the upload of the 'xserver-fglrx-fix' (or whatever name you prefer). For some packaging hero it's surely possible to build the patched xserver from the main source package along with other xserver packages, so the patched version will always be sync with further xserver updates.

So AFAIK we basically need 2 updates. If someone can/wants to take care of this, it might not be too late for Lucid...

[Alf Gaida (agaida)]

#422
Nice idea, getting the patched Server in sync, but imho it is not applyable to .deb packages. That's the point i like Arch for: Doing it the Arch way. Make a Sourcepackage, get it, build it, mostly it works. The build system in Arch does this that way. Make a BUILD package and most of the work is done. Then do a makepkg. The makepkg does the folloing: Get the actual sources, get the actual patches, build the actual package. Every thing is done.

My way in Ubuntu is: apt-get sources xorg... Patch it manually, make a debuild with the right options, upload it to my ppa. Its a nice idea doing this in time automatic if a new version occurs. Any ideas?

[Nicolas Delvaux (malizor)]

Well, if it's not as easy as I thought and that an automatic build can't be set up, it would be up to ubuntu xorg maintainers to manually patch and upload the patched server.
So it's their decision, even if it can be at least half-automated via a script.

@maintainers: Any feedback/idea or is this bug a won't fix/wait 1-2 releases for the free driver to become even more awesome?

[Dana Goyette (danagoyette)]

To be fair, I've noticed a similar lag and 100% CPU usage during resize operations on the ATI open-source driver (hardware: RV635), the Intel open-source driver (hardware: GMA950), and the nvidia binary driver (hardware: GF6200 IGP on Athlon64). The ATI binary driver just lags more severely than everything else.

The best possible solution would be "Option C" above... we need to get the backclear patch accepted upstream. After all, the current behavior of the X server makes no sense: why the heck do you need to read back the contents of video RAM to allocate a new window?

[7oby (tobias-hain)]

In response to #420:

Last time I installed the backclear.patch on ATI Mobility HD3400 hardware I noticed distorted and weird pixels when opening new windows. They disappeared as soon as contents was painted into the window. However it suggests what the source code comments say:

+- /*
+- * Copy bits from the parent into the new pixmap so that it will
+- * have "reasonable" contents in case for background None areas.
+- */

Without this patch- there are NO distorted and arbitrary colored pixels when opening new windows. I would all this a regression (besides the performance improvement) within ATI hardware already.

--

What I just did is install the patch on -intel hardware (GM965 to be more specific) and expected to see those weird colored pixels when opening new windows. However windows look fine upon creation.

[Bryce Harrington (bryce)]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:22:40AM -0000, Nicolas Delvaux wrote:
> Well, if it's not as easy as I thought and that an automatic build can't be set up, it would be up to ubuntu xorg maintainers to manually patch and upload the patched server.
> So it's their decision, even if it can be at least half-automated via a script.
>
> @maintainers: Any feedback/idea or is this bug a won't fix/wait 1-2
> releases for the free driver to become even more awesome?

The idea being that we maintain two copies of xorg-server in Ubuntu?
No, that would be too much work, and probably would cause other bugs
(people already have trouble moving between -fglrx and -ati on a system,
without having to switch xservers).

Today is really the last chance we could include this patch in lucid,
but there hasn't been an adequate quantity of testing on non-fglrx to
assure me it's safe. But I'll leave my PPA up with the xorg-server
package.

Someone suggested maintaining a more official PPA with the xorg-server
package. I don't have time to maintain such a thing myself but am not
opposed to it. It would probably make the most sense to include this
PPA in the xorg-edgers project. If anyone wishes to volunteer for
maintaining this please contact Sarvatt or Tormod on IRC at #ubuntu-x to
get set up with permissions to maintain the package, and to discuss what
the best solution would be.

The alternate conditions I listed above - redoing the patch to only
apply when the fglrx driver is loaded, or getting the patch accepted
upstream - are still viable and if done might make this patch into a
state that it could be accepted as an SRU.

I won't be working on X.org as of a few more weeks, so will not follow
up on this bug any further. I'd encourage those in the community
interested in seeing this bug resolved to continue along the lines I've
outlined; I think this issue can be solved but it'll take some effort.

Finally, I notice that the #comments has now exceeded what launchpad can
handle, so the bug comments can no longer be displayed in the web
interface. That's a shame. If I were you guys, I'd close out this bug
report and replace it with a fresh one, that has a clear write up for a
description, the current patch attached, the PPA as a workaround, and
steps to rebuild xserver to include the patch. Good luck.

[little jo (littel-jo)]

Same bug for me

[michael mestre (michael-mestre)]

Quote :

"If I were you guys, I'd close out this bug
report and replace it with a fresh one, that has a clear write up for a
description, the current patch attached, the PPA as a workaround, and
steps to rebuild xserver to include the patch. Good luck."

Very good idea. Has this been done already ?

[idyllic (idyllic)]

I have open a fresh one with detailed instruction as suggested at

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/568988

[cazacugmihai (cazacugmihai)]

Hi,

I also have this problem on Ubuntu 10.04.
My system: iMac 27" i7.

Thanks.

[dvhart (darren-dvhart)]

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere above (apologies if I missed it), but this problem was solved for me using the PPA xorg packages from:

https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-weyland/+archive/xserver-nobackfill

Obviously this is a workaround to get people going until the problem can be properly addressed. This appears to be a duplicate of Bug 381003 (perhaps this one is for lucid? I see all kinds of release tags, so it's hard to tell). Anyway, this worked for me, YMMV.

[dvhart (darren-dvhart)]

I should qualify #432, this worked for me on Karmic on a ThinkPad W500 with an ATI HD 3650.

[Daniel Castro (castromd)]

Hey dvhart,

I also have applied launchpad-weyland's PPA patch on a Thinkpad W500 with ATI HD 3650 and Ubuntu 9.10 and it solves the slow desktop effects problem. But I suspect it introduces performance degradation on Xorg.

I had a T61p with Nvidia which worked very good, but it died on me. So I got the new W500 and loaded 9.10 straight away. Hardware-wise the W500 should be a bit faster than the T61p, but I feel it a bit sluggish in comparison.

Right after starting or rebooting my computer everything is good, but after a day of use my Xorg process grows to ~180Mb and start consuming like ~20-30% of CPU.

Could you let me know if you start experiencing the same thing?

Thanks!

[Roman Leuprecht (leuprechtroman)]

Am 01.05.2010 14:00, schrieb Alf Gaida:
> ** Description changed:
>
> -
> - ******************************************************
> - The comment list to this bug reach a point of entries at this we must declare this buglist for "full". So it was the decision to make a new entry in launchpad as a successor of this bug. You should use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/568988 instead. Thanks.
> - ******************************************************
> -
> -
> + ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
> + The comment list to this bug reach a point of entries at this we must declare this buglist for "full". The buglist appears unreadable for many people becaquse of launchpad timeouts. So it was the decision to make a new entry in launchpad as a successor of this bug. You should use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/568988 instead. Thanks.
> + ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
>
> [updated]
> Since the new version of ubuntu/kubuntu (9.04 jaunty) a new bug occurs with ATI cards and desktop effects enabled.
> With fglrx driver, the unminimizing of windows is really slow ... it can take from 1 to 3 seconds.
> Also, the maximizing, unmaximizing and Alt+Tab present the same problem.
> The opening of a window present the same bug, freezing the system for 1sec.
> This bug is under both gnome and kde (4.2.1)
>
> (I have an ATI HD2600 Mobility Pro )
>
> [lspci]
> 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a00] (rev 03)
> Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:011e]
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series] [1002:9581]
> Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:011e]
>
It´s in Lucid, too....
Is there already an PPA for lucid ?

TIA

Roman Leuprecht

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[Alf Gaida (agaida)]

Jetzt mal für deutsche Leser:

Was ist an der von mir geänderten Beschreibung des Fehlers nicht zu verstehen? Das Limit an Kommentaren ist erreicht, die Fehler bei der Darstellung mehren sich.

Verdammt noch mal nehmt den Link zu Bug 568988 oben in der Beschreibung zwischen den vielen Ausrufezeichen. Deutlicher kann man eine Beschreibung doch gar nicht mehr ändern. Das Lucid-PPA findet man da in Posting 8.

Viel Spass! Und nicht böse sein wegen der Flucherei ;-)

[ColdFusion (bryan-electricedgesystems)]

I've experienced the same slowness most posters have described on Karmic and now Lucid.

ATI 3650 HD

Toshiba Satellite A300

This has been an ongoing issue for a LONG time, and I hope it can be resolved. I know Bryce had a "nobackfill" kludge up, but I could never find it in my available packages after adding his PPA.

Lucid is feeling really tight, but it's these basic issues that still get Ubuntu laughed at by other OSs :-(

Thanks in advance to any/all developers trying to sort this out....greatly appreciated!!

Cheers

[ColdFusion (bryan-electricedgesystems)]

just tried to add Weylands PPA and got this...any ideas?

W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/launchpad-weyland/xserver-nobackfill/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found

Cheers

[Alf Gaida (agaida)]

OK - no more kidding around -

FOR ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE the same message as for german users:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DONT POST ANY COMMENTS IN THIS BUG! PLEASE USE BUG 568988 INSTEAD
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/568988
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will add the ppa's for karmic and lucid in the description. And no, there you will not
find weylands nobackfill patch. The backfill patch has been replaced and the
no-backclear is his succsessor.

I'm not unkind nor this is an uncivil yielding. This buglist ist full by the meaning of full!

[Rosca Stefan (sarvigalava)]

Also affects me , ACER EXTENSA 7620g with Ati Mobility Radeon HD 2400XT. Desktop is very slow, slow minimizing, maximizing, open aplications. With open source driver the system is very fast but open gl in games is slow, I can play Open Arena only with minimal details and resolution. Also I mention that Ati proprietary driver make system to raise from 170 MB RAM usage to 470 MB.

[Dan Quade (danquade)]

BREAKING: This bug is FIXED in Catalyst 10.6 that was released today!

[[e-mail] (dbuttonz)]

I tried Catalyst 10.6 and am not noticing any issues. It appears to be fixed.

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:23 AM, unimatrix <email address hidden> wrote:
> BREAKING: This bug is FIXED in Catalyst 10.6 that was released today!
>
> --
> [M76] [ubuntu 9.04] [ubuntu 9.10] [ubuntu 10.04] slow unminimizing with ati card and desktop effects enabled
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/351186
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in “fglrx-installer” package in Ubuntu: Triaged
> Status in “fglrx-installer” source package in Lucid: Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !  ! ! ! ! ! ! !  ! ! ! ! ! !
> The comment list to this bug reach a point of entries at this we must declare this buglist for "full". The buglist appears unreadable for many people because of launchpad timeouts.  So it was the decision to make a new entry in launchpad  as a successor of this bug. You should use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/568988 instead. Thanks.
> ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
>
> [updated]
> Since the new version of ubuntu/kubuntu (9.04 jaunty) a new bug occurs with ATI cards and desktop effects enabled.
> With fglrx driver, the unminimizing of windows is really slow ... it can take from 1 to 3 seconds.
> Also, the maximizing, unmaximizing and Alt+Tab present the same problem.
> The opening of a window present the same bug, freezing the system for 1sec.
> This bug is under both gnome and kde (4.2.1)
>
> (I have an ATI HD2600 Mobility Pro )
>
> [lspci]
> 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a00] (rev 03)
>      Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:011e]
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series] [1002:9581]
>      Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device [1025:011e]
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186/+subscribe
>

[fermulator (fermulator)]

Using the PPA mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186/comments/414 on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) with ATI fglrx driver version 8.723.1-100408a-098580C-ATI patches the issue.

[Alexander Obersht (alexander-obersht)]

Either it's not fixed, or it's back.

Because I'm still experiencing this issue with Catalyst 10.7 (downloaded from ATI website) in Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit. Unminimizing a non-maximized window is instant, but there's a noticeable pause before unminimizing a maximized window. There's also a pause before maximizing/unmaximizing a window.

[svaens (svaens)]

Can confirm that for me,
Ubuntu 10.10
ATI Radeon 3470 HD mobility

This seems to be fixed, as of 2010/12/14
using all latest installs and updates from ubuntu maverick install.

[smerz (daniel-genis)]

Also fixed for me in 10.10

To whoever fixed this. THANK YOU!!

[The Fiddler (stapostol)]

This bug has been fixed upstream since ~October 2010. Could someone please close it?

[The Fiddler (stapostol)]

Fixed upstream for close to a year now.

[Alf Gaida (agaida)]

This Bug was still present in Lucid in 2011-03. ;) But this is not my business anymore. Since 2011-04 i use debian with the same old bug. The bug is still present in an uptodate X. The only thing about is - the lag is smaller, but never gone.

(Auf gut deutsch: Macht doch alle, was ihr wollt, es interessiert mich nicht mehr. Andere Bugs in Lucid sind gravierender und haben mich zu einem Umstieg auf debian bewogen. Es ist mir vollkommen egal, in welcher Distribution ich Fehler fixen muss. In debian stable betreffen die mich nur nicht mehr. Meine Server haben kein X.)

Ansonsten ist der Umgang mit Fehlern ein Armutszeugnis und keine Werbung für Ubuntu.