Version Bump to 4.5

[Bhaavan Merchant]

I find it necessary to have development tools synced to the latest, and I would request a version bump to Eclipse 4.2 Juno by quantal. It has special features for mobile development, and that is something which a lot of users will benefit from.

Also, I am a "novice" if you may in terms of filling bugs for version bumps. Do tell me if this is the right way to do it. I checked debian-unstable, and I didnt find that the 4.2 package there yet.

Thanks.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
Package: eclipse 3.7.2-1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-25.40-generic 3.2.18
Uname: Linux 3.2.0-25-generic x86_64
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
ApportVersion: 2.0.1-0ubuntu8
Architecture: amd64
Date: Fri Jun 29 18:13:26 2012
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release amd64 (20120425)
PackageArchitecture: all
SourcePackage: eclipse
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

[Launchpad Janitor (janitor)]

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

[Marius B. Kotsbak (mariusko)]

Also see bug #882436 about missing marketplace client.

[Bhaavan Merchant (bhaavanmerchant)]

WIth Kepler ready to mature, [1] I request a version bump to 4.3.

[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Kepler/Simultaneous_Release_Plan

[Matthias Klose (doko)]

sure, tell me where I can find the package, and I'll upload

[Marius B. Kotsbak (mariusko)]

Well, if you mean the upstream package, it is already imported to Debian, but not yet packaged: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-java/eclipse.git;a=commit;h=3d92916cf6cb033d64499dd24e40496123702bc4

[Bhaavan Merchant (bhaavanmerchant)]

Eclipse JDT 4.3 Kepler has officially been released. The compressed tarball is http://ftp.daum.net/eclipse/technology/epp/downloads/release/kepler/R/eclipse-standard-kepler-R-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz, while master tree can be accessed from http://git.eclipse.org/c/jdt/eclipse.jdt.git .

Using the latest versions, we could benefit from the new features added by contributors.

[Kai Mast (kai-mast)]

Is there anything I can do to speed up the process? I really want to see this in saucy...

[Ma Hsiao-chun (mahsiaochun)]

The so-called Eclipse Team seems dead.

Maybe we should instead ask Eclipse upstream to provide a more Ubuntu-friendly package.

[Micah Gersten (micahg)]

The "eclipse team" is pkg-java-maintainers which have their hands full with over 700 packages. If you want to help, offer to join the team [1] and see what you can do to help with the packaging. Otherwise, please refrain from commenting about how active teams are especially in bug reports about new versions.

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/JavaPackaging

[Redsandro (redsandro)]

I heard the whole problem is that Eclipse 4.x requires Oracle Java 7. Ubuntu (and especially Debian) don't like Oracle, they are packaged with OpenJDK. I don't know the functional difference, I thought the whole idea was that they were compatible. Anyway, Oracle Java 7 is not in the default repos.

Also I read there were licensing issues with certain parts of Eclipse 4? Not sure. Just repeating what I think I know. :P

[Rockwalrus (rockwalrus)]

Oracle Java is so similar to OpenJDK that it's doubtful there would be any serious hurdles. Besides, Eclipse4.3 is tested on OpenJDK 7 ( see http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/readme_eclipse_4.3.html#TargetOperatingEnvironments ), so it shouldn't be an issue.

The real problem is that Eclipse has a ridiculously complicated build and deployment system that is painful to adapt to Ubuntu, and while there are some provisions for shared-user deployments with a Unixy filesystem layout, in reality upstream never tests them and they don't work very well.

[Hans Joachim Desserud (hjd)]

>Ubuntu (and especially Debian) don't like Oracle, they are packaged with OpenJDK. I don't know the functional difference, I >thought the whole idea was that they were compatible. Anyway, Oracle Java 7 is not in the default repos.

The reason Oracle's JDK is not in the default repos is because Oracle changed the license so that no one else can distribute it [1]. :(

Though, as Rockwalrus mentioned, there should be only minor differences between OpenJDK and Oracle's JDK.

[1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/java-to-be-removed-from-ubuntu-uninstalled-from-user-machines

[Daniele Cruciani (daniele-smartango)]

I think a number of user ( / developer! ) need eclipse, and I think that with the right efford, maybe with a bit of analysis and coordination, it could be semplied the ridiculous complicated build system (I do not know the build system, it is just an hypotesis).

Does, and if so, how it could be distribuited the task for having an eclipse packaged for ubuntu/debian?
I guess it is a matter of build machine's configuration and setup for doing test, or does it need external infrastructure to be setted up for running test? Or is it a matter of current infrastructure and standard of ubuntu and the incompatibility with the required (eclise) one?

Sorry, there is neither a wiki, I can not find neither a bug opened in eclise.org, I just found this
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/kepler/
is not it a starting point?

BTW eclipse 3.8 with nodejs plugin and PDT continuously crash, I can continue to report bugs, but I am near a deadline, I need some sort of usable ide in ubuntu NOW, I am just going to install binary distribuition of eclipse.

In the next month maybe I would experiment with 4.3 build system, but this is not a wishlist, this is a "missing package" bug

[Kai Mast (kai-mast)]

Did the build process change between the 3.x series and the 4.x series?

It would be very awesome if we can get a recent version of Eclipse into trusty. Considering that trusty is a LTS and afaik the 3.x series will not be supported that long anymore. There is still a lot of time before feature freeze, so this should be doable.

[Angel Guzman Maeso (shakaran)]

Hi, I am only a recent junior contributor to pkg-java group (debian-java) and I gonna try to give some info about. The build process is pretty similar between 3.x and 4.x, but it has some dependencies to be updated. It is is based on scripts and patches from eclipse-build project[1][2]

For example Eclipse 4.x needs libswt-4-gtk instead libswt-3-gtk and maybe others updated like jetty8. I spend some days on it and with the help and mentoring of Jakub Adam the package libswt-4-gtk is almost updated.

You can see the latest commits for branch master-4.3 [3].

For build swt-gtk-4.3:

git clone -b master-4.3 --single-branch http://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/pkg-java/swt-gtk.git swt-gtk-4.3
cd swt-gtk-4.3
debuild -uc -us -B

For eclipse, at this moment we don't have the master-4.3 [4] branch created, but you can test with master-4.2 [5]

For build eclipse 4.2 and test it is pretty similar:

git clone -b master-4.2 --single-branch https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/pkg-java/eclipse.git eclipse-4.2-master
cd eclipse-4.2-master
debuild -uc -us -B

Also note the debian bugs for Eclipse 4.2 [6], for Eclipse 4.3 [7].

I start to contribute for speed the process and learn about it some weeks ago because I use Eclipse daily for work, if you wanna help like me to get Eclipse updated, the Java Team would be happy to have you join us.

Most coordination occurs on the debian-java list[8] and for more info [9]

[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Linux_Tools_Project/Eclipse_Build
[2] http://git.eclipse.org/c/linuxtools/org.eclipse.linuxtools.eclipse-build.git
[3] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-java/swt-gtk.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master-4.3
[4] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-java/eclipse.git;a=summary
[5] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-java/eclipse.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master-4.2
[6] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=68172
[7] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732959
[8] http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/
[9] http://pkg-java.alioth.debian.org

[Kai Mast (kai-mast)]

Any progress on this?

This bug has been open for 2 years. Using a super old version of Eclipse is really a pain :(

[Knut J Bjuland (knut-j-bjuland)]

This also affects me

[Kai Mast (kai-mast)]

Eclipse 4.4.2. released http://www.eclipse.org/

[Sherif (ali-sherif10)]

Why don't you upgrade it to the latest version, tested on OpenJDK, at least?

[Matthias Klose (doko)]

point me to an upload in a PPA, and I'll look at it

[ekerazha (ekerazha)]

This is one of the reasons why I abandoned Debian and Ubuntu: they have an embarrassingly old Eclipse version.

[Mantas Kriaučiūnas (mantas)]

Debian maintainer created initial debian packaging files for 4.5.1 in Debian "pkg-java" eclipse.git repo's experimental branch, see:
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-java/eclipse.git
experimental Add initial debian directory for 4.5.1 Markus Koschany

Maybe someone can upload this in PPA?

[Kai Mast (kai-mast)]

I guess xenial will still ship with 3.8? That's just awful.

[Matthias Klose (doko)]

> I guess xenial will still ship with 3.8? That's just awful.

Interpreting this as sarcasm. Better point us to a PPA with a working 4.5, or pretty please help working on it.

[ipatrol (ipatrol6010)]

>Better point us to a PPA with a working 4.5
I'll do ya' one better--I got one with a working 4.6:
https://launchpad.net/~mmk2410/+archive/ubuntu/eclipse-ide-java

[geogin (geogin)]

This thread makes me wonder if snapd or better yet, appimage is the way to go.