Removing debian-installer from groovy

Bug #1884538 reported by Dimitri John Ledkov
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This bug affects 7 people
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debian-installer (Ubuntu)
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Dimitri John Ledkov

Bug Description

Removing debian-installer from groovy

Currently lp copies up publications, even if package is removed.

Thus prior to removal of d-i i'd like to publish it three times, as empty uploads.

Such that when the package is removed it doesn't come-back, or like we can just keep it empty in the archive.

Blocked until https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/debian-cd/cd-boot-images-amd64/+merge/386094 is deployed

tags: added: block-proposed
description: updated
Changed in debian-installer (Ubuntu):
status: New → Won't Fix
status: Won't Fix → Triaged
assignee: nobody → Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox)
tags: added: block-proposed-groovy
removed: block-proposed
tags: added: update-excuse
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Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) wrote :

Replaced by a stub page, now need to migrate it three times.

Changed in debian-installer (Ubuntu):
status: Triaged → Fix Released
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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :

It is a bad idea. Some users with old hardware will be disappointed. They have on CD-ROM drive, do not want to get Snaps in their systems.

Please bring netboot mini.iso back.

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Ubuntu QA Website (ubuntuqa) wrote :

This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker.

A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1884538

tags: added: iso-testing
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Zippy Zebu (zippy.zebu) wrote :

Is it possible to keep this package in universe because community wants to build netboot image their own. That means keeping all the dependencies as well. But they can just sync from debian.

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Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) wrote :

> Is it possible to keep this package in universe because community wants to build netboot image their own. That means keeping all the dependencies as well. But they can just sync from debian.

Not really, no. Ubuntu d-i has significant improvements over the debian one, and it would be a regression reverting to debian version of udebs.

Also, d-i from universe does not really work, as it has to be always be build with a matching kernel ABI _and_ all of the userspace abi changes, _at the same time_, implying hard interlock on our kernel release cadence. As in, one has to rebuild d-i with every kernel upload and ensure they migrate in sync with any in-progress ABI changes in the release. It significantly hinders and deadlocks distribution development. Whenver things are missmatched, d-i simply fails to fetch/download/install udebs and fails with critical errors saying that either kernel modules are not available or it cannot install partman udebs rendering it useless.

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Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) wrote :

Note d-i builds in groovy have been replaced with an empty stub page:

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/groovy/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/

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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :

@Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox)

Please make mini.iso available again as it is presented for 20.04 LTS ( http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso ).

For some devices it is only one possible method of installation. And of course the next 22.04 LTS should have minimal ISO available.

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Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) wrote : Re: [Bug 1884538] Re: Removing debian-installer from groovy

On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:51, Norbert <email address hidden> wrote:
>
> @Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox)
>
> Please make mini.iso available again as it is presented for 20.04 LTS (
> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-
> amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso ).
>
> For some devices it is only one possible method of installation. And of
> course the next 22.04 LTS should have minimal ISO available.

Which devices? Can you please list Vendor, Models, etc?

--
Regards,

Dimitri.

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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :

Every device with CD-only reader.

Also mini.iso is needed for clean system installation from scratch. This means that only user will decide package selection and availability of Snap subsystem. Forcing users to use new server installer may demonstrate limiting of their rights and freedoms.

So please make mini.iso available again for all new Ubuntu releases. Do not break user habits!

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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :

Still a problem, there is no mini.iso in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ .

Some users need PXE boot of legacy installer too - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/installing-groovy-via-pxe-boot/18494 .

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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :

Still a problem, there is no mini.iso for Groovy in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ .

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Antony Messerli (antonym) wrote :

What is the recommended option for replacing PXE installers?

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/groovy/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/

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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :

As per https://askubuntu.com/q/1291913/66509 users still expect to have mini.iso for 20.10 (groovy).

Please produce it!

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Andreas Nadobnik (andy1971) wrote :

I am using PXE boot for fully automated preseeded installations.

So, here is another vote for the mini.iso or netboot.tar.gz.

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Marian Rainer-Harbach (marianrh) wrote :

I now managed to get a working PXE setup for Groovy that runs the Subiquity installer with an autoinstall configuration.

I documented my findings in detail at https://askubuntu.com/q/1292032.

My solution can be used both for UEFI and BIOS systems and also mentions how to install a desktop system.

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Samir Ibradžić (sibradzic) wrote :

This is not only issue for PXE or CD-ROM restricted machine scenarios, ability to bootstrap net-installer by loading linux & initrd.gz in EFI shell is also gone with the change.

Please bring it back!

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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :
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sudodus (nio-wiklund) wrote :

The link in comment #17 works only for you, Norbert.

remove the tail '?u=norbert' to make it work for us too.

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Norbert (nrbrtx) wrote :

Done, thank you, @sudodus!

Anyone affected please participate in the poll about mini.iso -

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/poll-about-possible-netboot-mini-iso-revival-in-future-ubuntu-releases/19457

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