Now, have different situations with this step need or possible not need. Luke, if we not copying .orca folder in /var/lib/gdm folder with target system, if any user using for example a different voice speech person because using different language, hear different voice the login screen output and the first user logged in screen reader output. For example a simple example: When I logged in the live CD, I setted up speech values with following: Speech system: Speech-dispatcher (this is not changed). Speech sinthesizer: Espeak Person: hungaryan This is need when I would like hear hungarian translated text with hungarian Espeak language. This settings is absolute correct copyed with new created first user home directory, but GDM is not sinchronised if we don't do this step. For example, in GDM, I hear hungarian login screen with the "Cantonese" Espeak voice, and this is very horrible. :-):-) If I or another non english language users would like solving this problem, need one time manualy to copy the first user .orca directory with /var/lib/gdm folder with following commands: sudo cp -r .orca /var/lib/gdm sudo chown -hR gdm /var/lib/gdm This is not problem me, but why need do this steps with a beginner Ubuntu blind user for example he possible absolute not known Terminal commands, absolute not known where stored the GDM home directory? So, I think this is absolute need if we want solwing with non english language specific talking problems with an automated way in GDM accessible login feature, because this is easy and done now. The .orca copy in target system/etc/skel folder is a different situation. For example, I think absolute need provide a basic accessibility support with future created users in target system if the system is installed with access=v3 option. But, need copy the .orca folder with target system/etc/skel folder or not need copying it with normal Ubuntu system? This is an optional choice and absolute need you choice. The advantage of the copying is a following trivial example: If a notebook blind user using laptop key binding with the live CD, not need always setting all settings if he created a new users. But, I understand, what happen if a new user not like the live CD setted speech rates, speech pitches? This is difficulter choice. Now, Bill and Me working with a pre setted .orca folder in live CD/etc/skel folder, because we already setting important orca default and optional important settings (Firefox Orca structural navigation commands, custom orca scripts, optional key bindings, etc. and we want this settings is already setted with new created users home directory. Vinux and BeLin using this mehanishm and the users like this method since two years. The little problem of we choosed method is of course the laptop keyboard layout is not setted correct (we using default Desktop layout), but now the patch fix this if need. In longer period, I think the best way choose is the maximum possible integration. This is resulting longer work for example the next or next+1 Ubuntu release development, but I would like help and I absolute sure Bill would like help same. For example, now we not setting up extra key bindings with target system in 30accessibility script, but in future we easy to do this if have a standard keyboard talking map with Vinux and BeLin users. For example this is bigger step with next Ubuntu version, but now this is little offtopic, but not impossible to do. :-):-) I would like to do this work with next release. Sorry my long comment. Bill, Luke, what the openions? Attila