Hi,

please respect the reply-to: and subscribe to the bugs if you're interested in 
solving them... Thanks.

On Saturday 01 October 2005 15:05, Riccardo Setti wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Riccardo Setti <email address hidden>
>
>
> * Package name    : cinelerra-cvs
>   Version         : 2.0-cvs
>   Upstream Author :

Besides the original upstream (Heroine Virtual Ltd <email address hidden>) 
the people at http://cvs.cinelerra.org/devcorner/cvswrite.html (or the URL 
itself) should be mentioned.


> * URL             : http://www.example.org/

This should be changed to http://cvs.cinelerra.org

> This is a branched version of Cinelerra sometimes called
> Cinelerra-CVS

I dont think it's useful (at the moment) to have both versions of cinelerra in 
Debian. So #78209, #156614 and #239570 could be closed.

OTOH, it's a seperatly maintained fork, so maybe not. What do you think ?

BTW, IMHO it would really be a good idea to change that name. Maintainers of 
cinelerra-cvs, what do you think ? Cinelerra has also been renamed in the 
past :-)


On Saturday 01 October 2005 15:44, Sam Hocevar wrote:
>    Be careful, more than 1000 Cinelerra source files do not have a
> proper license, a dozen are copyrighted by the MPEG group, another dozen
> are under the old ugly OpenDivX license, and you have many additional
> strange licensing terms in some files (such as free to copy and modify,
> but not to redistribute).

Sam gave me a list with his investigation of the cinelerra-cvs, I have 
attached it. What strikes me most, is the lack of licences for 15% of the 
whole sourcecode. (1013 out of 6631 (Sam's list from 2004-04-25 / my 
cvs-checkout from monday). 

Since this investigation is a year old, I would like to ask upstream and the 
maintainers of the fork to comment on the current situation. Have those 
issues been addressed ? (Yes, i'm too lazy to check this myself now. Thats why 
I'm asking the people who should know whether they did that work ;)


>    Are you in touch with Holger Levsen <email address hidden>? We
> talked about Cinelerra at the QA miniconf and I sent him a list of
> problematic source files I had gathered. He is in touch with other
> people interested in packaging Cinelerra.

I've not really got into touch with the cinelerra-cvs community yet, "only" 
with Herman Robak (who is deeply involved in cinelerra-cvs)... With this  
mail I try to address the issues and connect the people who could have an 
interest in solving them. 

http://www.heroinewarrior.com/support.php3 ("real" upstream) mentions the fork 
on their support/harrassment page, so I tend to think, they're somewhat happy 
about it... 

Another big problem: Currently the build requirements for the debian packages 
provided from cinelerra-cvs (see 
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html or 
http://developer.skolelinux.no/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/external/cinelerra/hvirtual/README.BUILD?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain
) include a number of packages which are not in Debian but distributed via 
ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ - I hope that it will be possible to 
create a cinelerra version, which works with free codecs from Debian proper 
only, and still can use additional codecs from marillat. 

I know that this most probably will be a long journey or even impossible - but 
if this _is_ impossible I would like to spread the word, so there is an 
incentive to work on a truly free tool for editing videos.

Please reply if you want to help on this. If this gets started, we could 
create an alioth-project to group-maintain cinelerra-cvs, but for discussing 
those details it's currently too early IMHO.


regards,
	Holger (subscribed to those bugs and cinelerra-cvs..)