@Martin You make some good points about Firefox. Mozilla last year broke a record for most downloads of a single program. There is one thing though to realize. Just because someone downloads a program such as Firefox, it doesn't mean the program is being actively used. Some people see it different or not compatible with some websites. Because of it being different from Internet Explorer, people are scared of change. As for advertising Linux distributions such as Ubuntu as a new release every 6 months is kind of overkill. Plus, TV is not the only answer. I have a friend that works at the local rock radio station here in Seattle. He told me that radio advertising is way cheaper than TV advertising and reaches a much larger audience when advertised during the AM morning drive and/or the afternoon drive home shows. Now you made an excellent point about advertising the LTS releases. My thought was to show that every 6 months there is a on schedule 'service pack' release to upgrade and improve the already great software that they already have. Also, the advertising could take a direct stab at Microsoft by pointing out that each new 'service pack' or 'upgrade' release won't cost $100 to obtain. It's completely free. Some people believe that open source programs aren't very good because the end user isn't paying money to get it. It's an odd concept to me, but I can see how some could be that way. They need to experience it before making any judgement calls. How about setting up test kiosks in some malls/gallerias. Could prove to be interesting. This is just a tiny taste of ideas I have and would like to see tried by the community. Take your laptops with Linux installed on it and show the diehard Windows users that you can do what they do, and you have all the tools to do it easily and for free. Advocate open source, but don't force it on people. Inform them about it, what it could do for them, how easy it is to perform various tasks and so on. John Pyper TrigaTronic Designs, L.L.C. Kent, WA, USA BaD_CrC on Freenode IRC On 1/23/09, Martin Božič