I don't think education is particularly the issue. Windows is no more ubiquitous in schools and universities than it is in every other area. In my first IT class I was taught on an Acorn, but before that I had learned to use Windows because that is what my dad had on all our computers. Then I went to University where us computer science students (a still-growing discipline, incidentally) were very much encouraged to use Unix and Linux, even if the rest of the university's workstations ran Windows. So I would say education, certainly in England, is making an effort to not automatically subscribe to Windows *despite* its overwhelming ubiquity. Not all that much of an effort, but still, it's not the biggest problem. Also I don't think it's fair for you to criticise the teachers. You blatantly hear the teachers complaining more than the students just because they have more voice than the students do: they are adults, people will listen to them, they have publications etc. And you seem to be suggesting that their complains aren't valid just because they're not geeks! If slightly less computer literate people have difficulty using Linux this is the fault of Linux, not them - we should strive to make it as usable as possible by everyone, no matter their educational background. Robin. 2008/7/12 ^rooker