> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 01:50, Faldegast <email address hidden> wrote:
> >> Nobody thinks of paying a yearly license for having tubes in the wall
> >> - no - people pay the plumber when they need him/her for putting
> >> additional tubes or doing repair work. I think, it should be the same
> >> for software. The advantage of software is that it can be easier
> >> duplicated and easier offered than the tubes.
> > Actually they do. Its called insurance. You pay a monthly fee and if your tubes need to be repaired you are not hit with a overwhelming cost.
> 
> You are right - and I mixed up a few different models. My tube example
> was comparing to a Windows license and not to a model where you get
> the software and pay extra and optional for support - as Red Hat
> offers for example.
Yeah, red hat is a very good example. To bad that their desktop version does not have the qualities of the server version. Or actually have the qualities of the server version which is not so desirable for a client... If it was as good as Ubuntu I would pay for that to.

What i was suggesting was actually a combined business model. We sell ubuntu packaged like RH does, and we throw in a little extra like a few of the commercial apps available in software center. Currently all we have there is a DVD player which is a bit dull. I would like to see the few existing games in there to, like Majesty and some more. (yeah, i am a strategy game nerd. :) )
 
> > Perhaps this should be integrated with Ubuntu brainstorm, and other sites where such pledges get more exposure?
> > There are also cofundos.org, and possibly other sites?
> 
> I would find it good to combine/link Launchpad with brainstorm and
> integrate something like pledgebank or cofundos - Whether it is a bug
> or a new feature request, I don't see so much difference in how it
> should be handled. Even for bugs sometimes it turns out that a
> complete different solution is better than a quick-and-dirty fix.
> 
> 
> > I am talking about a commercial version with support, marketing and distribution. And more important, an OEM program.
> 
> Oh, I understand - I thought that such also already exists. ASFAIK
> everyone can buy support from Canonical. I personally find those extra
> commercial versions which maybe include additional patches or maybe
> not is not very attractive. I like to have one thing and pay for the
> appropriate support when I have a problem that could need the
> implementation of a particular fix.
> 
> 
> > Actually i think Microsoft expect Students to buy a computer with an OEM
> > license and then get the student version, and actually pay more then
> > they have to....
> 
> That was exactly what I meant. They try to create a dependency.
> 
> 
> >> DonationCoder (http://www.donationcoder.com/) also have several
> >> approaches for funding software development, from micro-donations up
> >> to custom-made software request handling through forums. I think, to
> >> build an "Ubuntu" for people seeking for programs to be written or
> >> bugs to be fixed, combined with a simple way of donation/payment,
> >> would be a big gain for Ubuntu. - Especially for companies with need
> >> to optimize their overall performance (and the computer is often an
> >> important tool for efficient administration in a company).
> > Actually i think that is great. But most users don't take time for this. They would rather buy a box and expect the source of that box to fund such development.
> 
> Yes, agree - not the home users - but you were refering to companies
> with commercial versions and support. The companies are important to
> address. IMHO in the home user field Ubuntu cannot be stopped any more
> in the long run - especially if Ubuntu continues to develop so well as
> it did in the last one or two years.
> 
> Of course - as also has been mentioned - it is important to attract
> developers to address Linux also. Most Windows developers I know are
> completely ignorant of everything else but Windows although they get
> beaten by their master (this year use winforms, the next year - oh no
> - switch to wpf please). One reason might be that software development
> is under pressure anyway already (so many software vendors - and
> basically no money needed for a startup or single person to get
> started). Addressing multiple environments increases complexity
> signiicantly. And packaging then also must be done separately for each
> platform.
> 
> And what options are for a platform agnostic way? Java, Python and
> Mono - and several very little other players. I do not consider C(++)
> here because it needs recompile on all supported platforms which then
> must be maintained at developer side (compiling from source is not an
> option for getting widely adopted). From those 3 only Java is very
> well established and many try to ban it to server side only although
> IMHO the option with the least required effort to make it work on all
> platforms. Python would also be a good choice but the runtime not
> widely spread so far (I don't know any Windows workstations at
> customers where the Python runtime is installed). So for the
> developers or software vendors it is not an easy thing to develop for
> multiple platforms - maybe a reason why so many new softwares come as
> web application and desktop applications still focus on the Windows
> platform. What does Canonical recommend for companies planning a
> migration to Ubuntu on the desktop within the next - let's say - 5
> years? What should companies do if they need some software development
> now?
> 
> OK, this maybe again not seems very relevant to Bug #1, but IMHO there
> are many factors playing together. Home users buy there hardware often
> at different shops where companies do and I guess Bug #1 would like to
> address both groups.
> -- 
> Martin Wildam
> 
> http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam
> 
> -- 
> Microsoft has a majority market share
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> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> 
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> 
> Steps to repeat:
> 
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
> 
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> 
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> 
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