You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that......

I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and
they warned me about your type........

Maybe Windows is the best system...............

I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention.

Gentilli.




On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Martin Wildam <email address hidden> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:37, Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
> <email address hidden> wrote:
> > Did you bother to check which systems are certified first?
> > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
> >
> > Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used
> > hardware that is stickered "Windows Ready", "Works with Windows" etc.
> >
> > The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on
> > everything. Please reset expectations accordingly.
>
> Although Ubuntu runs on a lot of hardware that is not listed there and
> no certification has been done, people should simply prefer the
> hardware that is certified or at least known to work.
>
> Simply becauce: Manufacturer's first aim is to work with Windows
> because that is the majority of people and this simply is what gets
> preinstalled in the vast majority of cases when shipping the thingy.
>
> Some manufacturers have looked beond the the rim of the plate and see
> that the world around M$ is wide and large and take this into
> consideration, like Dell or Lenovo for example.
>
> If people buying stuff do not explicitely prefer the more compatible
> hardware manufacturers also will not change their habits.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:59, Tom <email address hidden> wrote:
> > So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows.
> >
> > Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software?  After
> the
> > first round of updates and reboot  were all the drivers, codecs and new
> programs
> > all up-to-date and fully patched?
>
> Yesterday I tried to install an MS Office plugin from M$. Result: Half
> an hour of applying necessary updates including upgrading to IE8 (and
> I have no plain idea why IE8 needed in that case)... - and the machine
> had applied all updates before...
>
>
> > Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard
> preparation you
> > do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really
> compare
> > against installing a system you have no experience with and have not
> prepared
> > for in advance.
>
> Yeah, people used Windows many, many years and then they expect to do
> the transition in a day. Although I think that Ubuntu can be learned
> quite quickly (just to think of the plenty of forums and documentation
> available - or the very helpful community), my experience is that a
> standard low experienced home user needs approx 2 weeks to get
> familiar enough to be productive - but this is an awesome short time!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:14, houstonbofh <email address hidden> wrote:
> > I have expertise in both Windows and Linux.  Windows takes longer.
> > Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers.
> >  Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it.
>
> If you look at the installation of Windows 2008 R2 Server for example,
> installation of Windows is really not very interactive - it neither
> asks for a host name! - It generates an automatic one that you can
> change later. So even less interaction than for an Ubuntu
> installation.
>
> That said, afterwards plenty of clicks needed to get only in the near
> of being productive - not to tell that Windows OS after installation
> is naked as a jaybird! Even the text editor that comes with it is ...
> - well the only word I have for it is "impertinence".
>
>
> > As
> > an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't
> > really used in in years.
>
> When I started with Linux all programming languages I knew were
> Windows-only. So really, there is no need to know a programming
> language for using Linux. That I felt strange using an OS I can't
> program is natural after having always been capable of programming the
> PCs I was working on before. - Well, I have fixed that bug in the
> meantime. ;-)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:14, houstonbofh <email address hidden> wrote:
> > You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no
> > experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience.  That
> > is the bug...  Unreasonable expectations.  And the thought that
> > "Windows" is "Computer" and if you know "Windows" you know "computers."
> >  Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a
> > number of accounting specific systems.  Now if you give the same test to
> > your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier.
>
> Full ACK!
>
> But: I agree that anyway it must get better, because there are plenty
> of people who care a sh* about the OS - their focus is completely
> different and they don't want to bother.
>
> But, that said, those people must be illuminated that: Even if they
> want to just pull coffee from the coffee machine or if they "just"
> want to drive a car, some knowledge of the thing you are using is
> needed to use it (efficiently). In general for every thing (be it
> technical or non-technical) there are some basics (knowledge,
> experience, training) needed to use something - and more knowledge,
> experience and training is needed to use something really efficient -
> or - to help yourself in case of a problem. - This applies for
> computers as well as for cars, giving presentations or even just your
> daily habits.
>
> And then, when people want to improve their efficiency, then it comes
> to the very special strength of Linux: There are plenty of different
> desktop environments or just window managers, plenty of look and
> feels, desktop elements like Docky (and the like - plenty of options
> available just there), look & feel, different options for writing
> office documents and and and... - According to your needs and focus!
> Remind
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:25, Setve Gentilly <email address hidden>
> wrote:
> > Well it still comes down to not having drivers for stuff.
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > Thank you guys for your time, but when Ubuntu is more compatible I will
> have
> > another look at it.
>
> No, you missed the point: The hardware manufacturers sold the thingy
> to you. If you need to use Windows on that thingy because you can't
> use Linux - they don't care! - They only will care when nobody is
> buying their stuff because it is not Linux compatible! So YOU NEED TO
> CHANGE FIRST! Don't buy that crappy hardware!
>
> I tell everybody asking me for consulting which hardware to buy that
> they should look for a Linux compatible hardware, even if they don't
> plan to use Linux (now). Situation could be different in a year, so
> they should not lock themselves out from trying something new later. -
> Guess what: The last time I said that resulted in 2 weeks later
> switching to Ubuntu after the user destroyed the Windows 7 preinstall
> within a week.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:41, »John« <email address hidden> wrote:
> > I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear
> > because we've been through this shit for like million times already and
> > I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining
> > over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid
> > hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because
> > someone needs to write the damn drivers!
>
> You nailed it!
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 00:10, Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
> <email address hidden> wrote:
> > We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and
> > contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable
> > any one to get to any and all information they need to educate
> > themselves.
>
> For the very interested user, yes - but many just have different
> focus. E.g. a non-technical book author just wants to write his books
> and do conversation with readers and publishers and typically does not
> want bother with the OS. So most people are not going to read a bulk
> of documentation. Of course, for the interested user who wants to get
> more out of his/her PC, documentation should be at hand quickly and
> easy to understand.
>
> --
> Martin Wildam
>
> http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam
>
> --
> Microsoft has a majority market share
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> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
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