@mzc
I agree.

@faldegast:
1) Why would we market a kernel?
2) Running Ubuntu on scrap/old is not putting our best foot forward, and
creates support issues.
3) For the server side, we have Ubuntu Server.
4) Ubuntu Software Centre is just that: a store for Ubuntu-compatible
software. The extension of USC to non-Ubuntu platforms would be
nightmarish in complexity.


On 10-10-22 10:37 AM, mzc wrote:
> @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's
> downfall.
> On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, "Faldegast" <email address hidden> wrote:
>> What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following:
>>
>> 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it
>> can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu.
>>
>> 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual,
>> and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player.
>>
>> Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo
> Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should
> either be provided trough a software store, or included in "Ubuntu Pro".
>> I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i
> know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy
> that.
>> 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software
>> store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should
>> not be cheap.
>>
>> A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is
>> what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For
>> servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is
>> Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak.
>> They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness.
>> Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with
>> computers, so we must target the OEM builders.
>>
>> While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is
>> not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is
>> marketing.
>>
>> There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X.
>> Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a
>> great community.
>>
>> On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with
>> Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is
>> excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers.
>> I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that
>> old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube,
>> however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can
>> use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old
>> box?
>>
>>
>>> Martin,
>>>
>>> True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So
> the
>>> various points people have made are valid except where we talk about
> noobs
>>> installing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play
> around
>>> with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of
> installing
>>> Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise
> that
>>> lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of
> Ubuntu (or
>>> other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather
> than
>>> normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach
> both
>>> is probably still best.
>>>
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>> --
>> Microsoft has a majority market share
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
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>>
>> Status in Club Distro: Confirmed
>> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid
>> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid
>> Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix
>> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid
>> Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
>> Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress
>> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress
>> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress
>> Status in Tabuntu: Invalid
>> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid
>> Status in Tv-Player: New
>> Status in Ubuntu: In Progress
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
>> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid
>> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid
>> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress
>> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed
>> Status in openSUSE: In Progress
>> Status in Tilix Linux: New
>>
>> Bug description:
>> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
>> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>>
>> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential,
> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>> Steps to repeat:
>>
>> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>>
>> What happens:
>> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
> pre-installed.
>> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>>
>> What should happen:
>> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
> Ubuntu.
>> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and
> benefits would be apparent and known by all.
>> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>>
>>
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