@Allen Graham: The way I see it is that Microsoft has a huge team of marketing geniuses that got them to the state of where lawsuits had to be imposed upon them for their monopolistic tactics. If Microsoft believed in open source as much as we do, they would be leading 'the revolution' as people like to call it. I thought of this last night after reading your reply... Linux and open source advocates see Microsoft as the next SkyNet from Terminator and think they must destroy the big evil corporation. Bad move on our part if that's what people think. Let's go back in time a little bit where video game console advertising was the thing. Nintendo had their 8-bit NES (Famicom) with thousands of top games made for it. While the graphics weren't all that, the games were fun. In the early '90s, Sega comes along and releases a 16-bit console called the Genesis (Mega Drive) with a faster processor, better graphics and a blue hedgehog named Sonic who was lightning fast and had an attitude. Nintendo only had a couple of Italian plumbers and a couple of Ninja Turtles at their side. While the 8-bit games were great, the 16-bit ones offered better playability and held people captive with better challenges. Hence where Sega's advertising segments came in with "Genesis does what Nintendon't". This continued for a couple of years and led Nintendo the make the Super NES (Super Famicom), a 16-bit console, to provide a better playability to their gamers. We see this same thing going with Intel vs AMD for CPUs and nVidia vs ATI for GPUs. It's all great advertising. It makes each company stay on ther toes to keep bringing out better products as each one is duped by the other. I see this same thing happening with Linux vs Windows and/or Microsoft vs Open Source. While Microsoft does fight dirty, we will keep bringing technologies forward that will eventually lead this revolution. It's all about making your own decisions. Advertising can persude you to check out a product, but it can't force you to like it. John Pyper Dell | Managed Services BaD_CrC on Freenode IRC http://john-os.blogspot.com/ Follow me @ http://twitter.com/jpyper On 2/19/09, Allen Graham