Re-approval, ubuntu-china

[Paul Tagliamonte]

LP Link: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-china

Re-approval task bug.
This bug will be used to track the progress of the re-approval,
and make sure that every team gets the needed follow-through.
This bug will also allow us to keep a record of who was approved
and re-approved when. Please keep in mind the only people who should
be subscribed are the LoCo Council, and the team Contact. This bug will
also be kept private, for council use.

For more information regarding the re-approval process, please check the
wiki page linked below.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval

Your cooperation is thanked kindly in advance,
The Ubuntu LoCo Council

[Laura Czajkowski (czajkowski)]

Is there any update on this please, all re approvals must be completed by the end of October and we'd like not to have them all in the last week, thanks

Laura

[Paul Tagliamonte (paultag)]

Guys! The end of the cycle is coming up and you *will* loose membership if you fail to complete re-approval.

Turn it in!!!!!

[Aron Xu (happyaron)]

Hello,

We are now jumping in the re-approval, sorry for late reply. The wiki page for re-approval will be available soon, when it's done I'll comment here. Could you please tell me when will be the re-approval IRC meeting?

Thanks.

[Aron Xu (happyaron)]

Hello again, our wiki page is ready: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChinaTeam/ApprovalApplication

When and how can we arrange a meeting? The agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda does not show when will be the next meeting...

[Paul Tagliamonte (paultag)]

Sorry, I was just about to RE: and I noticed your wiki edit. Yep! See you then!

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Aron Xu <email address hidden> wrote:
> Hello again, our wiki page is ready:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChinaTeam/ApprovalApplication
>
> When and how can we arrange a meeting? The agenda at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda does not show when will be the
> next meeting...
>
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> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/784689
>
> Title:
>  Re-approval, ubuntu-china
>
> Status in Ubuntu Local Community Teams Meta-project:
>  Triaged
>
> Bug description:
>  LP Link: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-china
>
>  Re-approval task bug.
>  This bug will be used to track the progress of the re-approval,
>  and make sure that every team gets the needed follow-through.
>  This bug will also allow us to keep a record of who was approved
>  and re-approved when. Please keep in mind the only people who should
>  be subscribed are the LoCo Council, and the team Contact. This bug will
>  also be kept private, for council use.
>
>  For more information regarding the re-approval process, please check the
>  wiki page linked below.
>
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
>
>  Your cooperation is thanked kindly in advance,
>  The Ubuntu LoCo Council
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/784689/+subscriptions
>

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:wq

[Aron Xu (happyaron)]

Thanks!

We have added us to the Agenda, but the time (20:00 UTC) of 18th Oct,
2011 appears to be inconvenient to us. Because we live in UTC +0800,
it will be 04:00 here when the meeting is held. So I'd like to ask if
we could slightly change the meeting time?

(Posted to loco-council@l.u.c, and it needs to be approved by list moderator there.)

[Paul Tagliamonte (paultag)]

Actually, we can do the vote on the bug ticket, if you'd rather that -
we're trying to be more accommodating to teams outside Europe and the
US

Will that work better for you?

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Aron Xu <email address hidden> wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> We have added us to the Agenda, but the time (20:00 UTC) of 18th Oct,
> 2011 appears to be inconvenient to us. Because we live in UTC +0800,
> it will be 04:00 here when the meeting is held. So I'd like to ask if
> we could slightly change the meeting time?
>
> (Posted to loco-council@l.u.c, and it needs to be approved by list
> moderator there.)
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/784689
>
> Title:
>  Re-approval, ubuntu-china
>
> Status in Ubuntu Local Community Teams Meta-project:
>  Triaged
>
> Bug description:
>  LP Link: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-china
>
>  Re-approval task bug.
>  This bug will be used to track the progress of the re-approval,
>  and make sure that every team gets the needed follow-through.
>  This bug will also allow us to keep a record of who was approved
>  and re-approved when. Please keep in mind the only people who should
>  be subscribed are the LoCo Council, and the team Contact. This bug will
>  also be kept private, for council use.
>
>  For more information regarding the re-approval process, please check the
>  wiki page linked below.
>
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
>
>  Your cooperation is thanked kindly in advance,
>  The Ubuntu LoCo Council
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/784689/+subscriptions
>

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#define sizeof(x) rand()
:wq

[Aron Xu (happyaron)]

Vote on this bug ticket is appreciated! I would like to ask you to do so if convenient.

Thanks,

[Laura Czajkowski (czajkowski)]

how many are in active on irc and how many are in your launchpad account? Do you do team reports?

[Aron Xu (happyaron)]

Dear czajkowski,

Sorry I'm afraid I don't understand your question well. I have requested loco council to vote at this bug report, because the time is not very well for us. I'll try to reply your questions:

We have 80 persons active on IRC normally, and sometimes there might be over 100.

We don't track community members on Launchpad, because the website is too slow to access in China. We have 325487 registered users on our forum in the mean time, forum.ubuntu.org.cn, and over half of the people have posted topics/replies in recent three months.

We don't have monthly team reports, because 1) most members do not speak English well and would not like to take the responsibility 2) some members have the skills to do the job but their time is quite tight. In China, there is a very large user base, though the rate is low. Our local community team dose not have the resources to track most users, we just organize events, help people to resolve problems, help people to get involved into the community and generally prompt Ubuntu.

Thanks.

[Laura Czajkowski (czajkowski)]

Aron Xu,

Ok thanks for replying, well Launchpad is the metric we use to calculate how many are in a team now forum registered users which is why we asked.

I understand re team reports, but they don't have to be in English.

Your team does seem very active.

[Paul Tagliamonte (paultag)]

I'm fairly happy. Happy enough to vote, if we needed to.

No questions here.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:03 AM, czajkowski <email address hidden> wrote:
> Aron Xu,
>
> Ok thanks for replying, well Launchpad is the metric we use to calculate
> how many are in a team now forum registered users which is why we asked.
>
> I understand re team reports, but they don't have to be in English.
>
> Your team does seem very active.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/784689
>
> Title:
>  Re-approval, ubuntu-china
>
> Status in Ubuntu Local Community Teams Meta-project:
>  In Progress
>
> Bug description:
>  LP Link: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-china
>
>  Re-approval task bug.
>  This bug will be used to track the progress of the re-approval,
>  and make sure that every team gets the needed follow-through.
>  This bug will also allow us to keep a record of who was approved
>  and re-approved when. Please keep in mind the only people who should
>  be subscribed are the LoCo Council, and the team Contact. This bug will
>  also be kept private, for council use.
>
>  For more information regarding the re-approval process, please check the
>  wiki page linked below.
>
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
>
>  Your cooperation is thanked kindly in advance,
>  The Ubuntu LoCo Council
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/784689/+subscriptions
>

--
All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.

#define sizeof(x) rand()
:wq

[Aron Xu (happyaron)]

Hello, can you vote? It has been no activity for a week.

[Leandro Gómez (leogg)]

I'd say +0 based on no team reports and a lack of substantial IRL activities this year.

[Laura Czajkowski (czajkowski)]

I'm also +0 based on no team reports and lack of real life activities, though I do appreciate you do some great work via your forums.

[Aron Xu (happyaron)]

Dear Leandro and czajkowski,

I'm so sorry that you vote +0, based on "no team reports" and "lack of real life activities". Let me put here some facts that has been already reported in our re-approval application, and if appropriate, please vote again.

 * No team reports:
    We don't have regular team reports, claiming "in this month, we have done A and we have done B". But we do have reports after big events especially Ubuntu release parties, as shown on the re-approval application wiki page.
    I highly doubt that judging LoCo team's activities based on regular team reports is effective, because you don't know how large is the gap between reality and the report - may be very close, may be reality > report, also may be reality < report. Someone can be too busy organizing the event so don't write the report, someone can also make up some elements in a report to fill up the page when there wasn't so much activities that month.

  * Lack of real life activities:
    This time I'd ask you to re-read our re-approval application, to see whether we really lack of real life activities.
    Organized 11 release parties in two years, translated and rewrote the Chinese Edition of Ubuntu Desktop Course, and persistent efforts to Chinese Wiki and Chinese forum - all these things count to a 0? Please refer to our re-approval application for more details.

Again, here is the URL of our re-approval application, no modification after 2011-09-30, the time I first put it here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChinaTeam/ApprovalApplication

[Paul Tagliamonte (paultag)]

I'm +1 on this. I'd suggest you consider team reports?

[Alan Pope 🍺🐧🐱 🦄 (popey)]

Having looked at the approval application I am +1.

I agree with Paul that I'd like to see the China LoCo set a good example to other teams and produce monthly team reports. We (UK) loco tend to do this _during_ our regular meeting, so it takes no time at all. We have a standing reminder during the meeting to tell everyone to update it with what they have done this month. Job done.

That aside, I'm impressed with the work you're doing in China. It's great to read about your events and I look forward to hearing about more!

[Chris Crisafulli (itnet7)]

+1 from me. I only wish that the wiki reflected more of your teams great accomplishments. I can see that all of you have done some really great work, but had to dig quite a bit to see it. Team Reports would have helped, and placing images directly into the re-approval application, like one for each event.

[Christophe Sauthier (christophe.sauthier)]

I must say that I have mixed feelings on your application between a 0 and +1.

When we mention that we we do encourage you to write team reports, it is of course for us but more importantly for you and the rest of the ubuntu community and to vast majority of people who don't know about Ubuntu. Team reports are a good way to show to the worlwide community that you are doing great stuffs in China to promote Ubuntu.
I agree that team reports can be falsified, but we have a strong sense of trusting in the community, like it can be defined in the code of conduct.

I have also to say that the various appreciations that Laura and Leandro made, were to help you improve your team. It is true that you have a big user base but I am sure that you can do more : we have the same number of user registred in our french forum than you, and we cannot say that both countries have the same population :)
I am also sure that you can clearly organize more than 11 parties over 2 years ! But it is a really good starting point !

Finally I'll give you a +1, because I really think that you have done great stuffs, and that hope you'll continue that way ! And please let us know all the improvements you'll do !

[Paul Tagliamonte (paultag)]

It looks like 4/6 +1, which passes, but only *just*.

Please look at fixing some of the concerns Leo and Laura raised, they're valid, and most of us had a hard time working out +0 vs +1.

Closing and renewing. Well done.