Re-approval, ubuntu-ca

Bug #1075848 reported by Sergio Meneses
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This bug affects 1 person
Affects Status Importance Assigned to Milestone
Ubuntu LoCo Teams
Fix Released
Critical
Darcy Casselman

Bug Description

Launchpad Link: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ca

Re-approval task bug.

This bug will be used to track the progress of the re-approval, and make sure that every team gets the needed follow-through.
This bug will also allow us to keep a record of who was approved and re-approved when. Please keep in mind the only people who should be subscribed are the LoCo Council, and the team Contact. This bug will also be kept private, for council use.

You can find all information about the reapproval process in this wikipage:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines

Remember if you have questions please contact us adding an answer to this bug or by our mailing list, your cooperation is thanked kindly in advance.

Cordially
Ubuntu LoCo Council

Tags: reapproval
information type: Public → Private Security
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Laura Czajkowski (czajkowski) wrote :
Changed in ubuntu-locoteams:
status: Confirmed → In Progress
Changed in ubuntu-locoteams:
assignee: Corey Burger (corey.burger) → Darcy Casselman (dscassel)
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Sergio Meneses (sergiomeneses) wrote :

I have revised your application and here are my thoughts:

1- I like your wiki design of the application.

2- You have a complete page on the loco-team portal (http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca/): information, photos, meetings and events, blog feeds! :)

3- I have read about your projects! +1 for that, especially Computer Recycling, Are there ubuntu-ca members working on it or what is your role? - I want to know something more about it and your projects in general sense.

For ending my intervention , I will add two questions for you:

1- I want to know if you have experimented some problems in your team (like community problems, management problems, geographic problems)

2- You are a big country (geographically) Do you think that your team must be separate into loco-cities or loco-states? something like the United States distribution... Do you have people enough for that scenery?.... Do you think that distribution might work?... we are very interesting in your point of views about this topic! :D

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Stephen M. Webb (bregma) wrote :

> 1- I want to know if you have experimented some problems in your team (like community problems, management
> problems, geographic problems)

Geopgraphy is always a problem in this country. Scheduling an online ubuntu-ca meeting at a convenient time across 4.5 timezones is challenging at best, and a face-to-face meeting of the entire LoCo is not practical.

I am not aware of any complaints within the community or about the way the LoCo is run, but I am only a remote participant and may not be aware of many local-level activites.

> 2- You are a big country (geographically) Do you think that your team must be separate into loco-cities or loco-states?
> something like the United States distribution... Do you have people enough for that scenery?.... Do you think that
> distribution might work?... we are very interesting in your point of views about this topic! :D

This has been a recurring topic of discussion within the LoCo membership. Current consensus seems to be that a single national LoCo umbrella organization is sufficient, with various more local chapters in some cities where participation is higher. Many have expressed doubts that there would be any benefit to a further breakdown into smaller LoCo units. Most people participate through local chapters but benefit from a single identity as a member of the Canadian LoCo. That, and the cool logo.

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Darcy Casselman (dscassel) wrote :

I'm going to let Bob talk about the Working Centre's computer recycling program, since he worked there, and I'm going to have to give some thought to question 1 about problems. I can address question 2, however, since I've already given it quite a bit of thought.

If I were to change the structure of the LoCo, I'd like to see cities be better recognized and supported. Ubuntu Canada works best as an online entity. In person, nothing other than cities makes sense.

Bob and I have gone to other cities (especially Toronto) and run events, but other than pointing out to people who may or may not follow up (and so far, it's mostly been may not) that they could do this too, it doesn't seem to generate any more activity in those places when we're not there.

(Toronto has a release party every cycle thanks to Michael Kaulbach, totally independant of us. There were more events there before Leigh Honeywell moved to Seattle).

Early on we decided to introduce the idea of Ubuntu Canada "chapters" in cities. And we've had some come and go over the years. I think getting them into the LoCo directory and giving them more official recognition would help encourage more people take up the idea.

I don't see a huge benefit to splitting Canada into province teams. (We already have one: Quebec, but Quebec serves primarily French Canadians, and plenty of Quebeckers participate in Ubuntu Canada online). If we were to do it right now, all we'd be doing is renaming "Ubuntu Canada" to "Ubuntu Ontario" and potentially alienating a significant chunk of the online community who would no longer have a LoCo.

Maybe they would start one, but given Ubuntu Canada as a whole is pretty low-traffic, I'm not particularly optimistic. I'm not even particularly optimistic we'd be able to sustain Ontario as a viable online community.

Sure, Canada's spread out over a huge area, but we have a population the size of California, or about half the UK.

How the LoCo council chooses to interact with our team is pretty much up to the LoCo council, but I'd really like to keep the Ubuntu Canada mailing list, forum and IRC channel. A lot of people find value in the online community and the support it provides.

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Bob Jonkman (bjonkman) wrote :
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In response to Sergio Meneses https:/2. /bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/1075848/comments/2

1, 2. Thank you!

3. The Computer Recycling project is housed and funded by The Working Centre, and is managed by Charles McColm, who also runs the Ubuntu Hour Kitchener. The purpose of the project is to make affordable computers and computer repair available to people with low income, and also to provide a workshop to teach people basic computer hardware and software skills. Computer Recycling is one of the few places that provides computers pre-installed with GNU/Linux, and provides GNU/Linux support. Computer Recycling relies on donations from corporations and individuals. Donated computers are scrubbed of data, components are checked for usability. Obsolete or broken computers are stripped, and sent to an upstream electronic recycler. Computer Recycling is an approved OES (Ontario Electronic Stewardship) refurbishing centre. Usable computers are refurbished to a minimum standard (RAM, drive size), and a new operating system is installed. The computers are sold typically to people participating in re-employment programs run by The Working Centre. The work is done by volunteers who are looking to gain Canadian work experience, students on co-op programs from the local college or training schools, or people working towards accreditation for programs such as A-Plus certification. Computer Recycling is one of the main beneficiaries of the Ubuntu CDs and DVDs provided by Canonical to the Canadian Team. For more info you can check the Computer Recycling Web page at http://www.theworkingcentre.org/computer-recycling/178

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Problems?

I'm not aware of any problems in the Ubuntu-ca community, except that some members in remote areas may feel left out of some of the in-person activities (occasionally expressed on IRC). That is probably unavoidable in a country as large as Canada; it would be unavoidable even for provincial teams. Members in Thunder Bay would still have to travel over 1300 km (16 hours by car) to attend an event in Kitchener, even though both are in the same province.

I find community and friendship in the Ubuntu-ca mailing list. As with any community, there is some disagreement (eg. whether the mailing list should be used for tech support questions - I think it should, other don't). Canada is large and sparsely populated. Some large provinces may have only one member (Manitoba?), so dividing Canada into provincial LoCos would only increase the isolation for those members.

City chapters offer a different level of interaction. Many people who come to Kitchener-Waterloo local in-person events don't participate on the Ubuntu-ca mailing list or the forum. Kitchener-Waterloo has a thriving local chapter thanks to Darcy Casselman's work, but some areas that should be large enough to sustain a city chapter (Toronto, Hamilton) seem to have little interest in holding local Ubuntu events. This could be due to the general acceptance of Ubuntu (and free software in general), so that people are no longer focused on the operating system but on the applications and work that can be done with it. Toronto has an active tech co...

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Darcy Casselman (dscassel) wrote :

Our biggest problem is still probably getting people to do things in person in cities that aren't Kitchener or Waterloo (which is pretty much just one city). (Or things other than release parties in Toronto).

I've tried encouragement, cajoling, bribery, begging, and while we've gotten chin-scratching agreement and even promises out of people, they never seem to materialize. Not so much as an Ubuntu Hour.

There's a release party in Guelph next week, mostly because the organizer had been coming to our parties and events for a couple of cycles and decided to run one on his own. Which is awesome. So maybe the answer is to just get people to come to KW and we'll slowly expand from there.

Another problem is the seemingly never-ending controversies that seem to rock the Ubuntu community every couple of weeks. I think they're usually pretty ridiculous, but it does get a bit tiring having to explain to people what Canonical's up to and how it's really not so bad and how they don't have to use Unity if they don't like it.

People popping up on the mailing list to tell us that Ubuntu is stupid and we should be using Mint is annoying but I do try to patiently explain that we have plenty of Mint users in our community and they're welcome here so long as they're not jerks about it.

We lost the Ottawa chapter to Unity because the principal there decided he didn't like it and couldn't be convinced to continue building a community even though he maybe has a different sticker on his laptop.

It's kind of frustrating, really.

But for the most part, what we do works fairly well. The online support and community is helpful to people and the events, where they happen, are fun and well-attended. I've even been able to step back a bit because of other commitments and let Bob and Charles (who runs an Ubuntu Hour in Kitchener, as well as the Computer Recycling program) do a bunch of what I had been doing. Bob did most of the organizing, cajoling and prep work for this re-approval.

So that's nice.

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Sergio Meneses (sergiomeneses) wrote : Re: [Bug 1075848] Re: Re-approval, ubuntu-ca
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Darcy Casselman <
<email address hidden>> wrote:

> I'm going to let Bob talk about the Working Centre's computer recycling
> program, since he worked there, and I'm going to have to give some
> thought to question 1 about problems. I can address question 2,
> however, since I've already given it quite a bit of thought.
>
> If I were to change the structure of the LoCo, I'd like to see cities be
> better recognized and supported. Ubuntu Canada works best as an online
> entity. In person, nothing other than cities makes sense.
>

This happen very often!... especially in big countries.

>
> Bob and I have gone to other cities (especially Toronto) and run events,
> but other than pointing out to people who may or may not follow up (and
> so far, it's mostly been may not) that they could do this too, it
> doesn't seem to generate any more activity in those places when we're
> not there.
>
> (Toronto has a release party every cycle thanks to Michael Kaulbach,
> totally independant of us. There were more events there before Leigh
> Honeywell moved to Seattle).
>
> Early on we decided to introduce the idea of Ubuntu Canada "chapters" in
> cities. And we've had some come and go over the years. I think getting
> them into the LoCo directory and giving them more official recognition
> would help encourage more people take up the idea.
>

+1, nice idea! I want to add something here: would be interesting if you in
your own council (ubuntu-ca-council by instance) add people from several
cities. I think this will be a "plus" for your inter-loco-relations (I'm
not sure if this is the right term)

>
> I don't see a huge benefit to splitting Canada into province teams. (We
> already have one: Quebec, but Quebec serves primarily French Canadians,
> and plenty of Quebeckers participate in Ubuntu Canada online). If we
> were to do it right now, all we'd be doing is renaming "Ubuntu Canada"
> to "Ubuntu Ontario" and potentially alienating a significant chunk of
> the online community who would no longer have a LoCo.
>
> Maybe they would start one, but given Ubuntu Canada as a whole is pretty
> low-traffic, I'm not particularly optimistic. I'm not even particularly
> optimistic we'd be able to sustain Ontario as a viable online community.
>
> Sure, Canada's spread out over a huge area, but we have a population the
> size of California, or about half the UK.
>

This is similar to Russian, big countries but few population.

>
> How the LoCo council chooses to interact with our team is pretty much up
> to the LoCo council, but I'd really like to keep the Ubuntu Canada
> mailing list, forum and IRC channel. A lot of people find value in the
> online community and the support it provides.
>
>
We are trying to do the best! and we're going to have all your ideas in
mind.

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>
> Bug description:
> Launchpad Link: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ca
>
> Re-approval task bug.
>
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costales (costales) wrote :

Hi! :)
Installs, Jams, Ubuntu Hours, video games, collaboration with other LUGs... I'm impressed with your work! Congrats!

About to separate this team, I think that the Canadian team is working a lot and pretty well, but It's very interesting to listen their opinion about it :)
I think this could be an important question for us (LoCo Council) and we could study if the teams on big countries (territory/cultures) could work better with another organization, as subLoCos, loco-cities, loco-states...

Cheers! Costales.

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Sergio Meneses (sergiomeneses) wrote :

All your thoughts have sense and there are not more questions from me!

I am going to give you my vote: +1

But I want to add a last comment: I want to know if we can contact you to talk more about separate local-communities into loco-cities or loco-states

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Darcy Casselman (dscassel) wrote :

Certainly. Always happy to talk. :)

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Chris Crisafulli (itnet7) wrote :

Very nice work, We appreciate all of you and Ubuntu-Ca's efforts! +1 from me.

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Pablo Rubianes (pablorubianes-uy) wrote :

Great work, keep this hard work going. +1 for me!

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Bhavani Shankar (bhavi) wrote :

This is a perfect example of a very big loco working together with lots of work happening around.

btw I liked the idea of having loco-chapters in cities and I think its a great idea.

+1 from me too.

Regards
Bhavani

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Bhavani Shankar (bhavi) wrote :

I just went ahead and renewed the membership of ubuntu-ca for 2 years from now i.e 2015-04-29 as we have the required quorum of +1's :)

Great work again and keep it up :-)

Regards
Bhavani

Changed in ubuntu-locoteams:
status: In Progress → Fix Released
information type: Private Security → Public
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costales (costales) wrote :

Hi! My vote is +1
Keep your awesome work Ubuntu-ca! :)

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Bob Jonkman (bjonkman) wrote :

Hooray! We're approved again!

Many thanx to everyone who helped with Web pages, IRC meetings, bug
jams, release parties, and especially to Darcy Casselman and Stephen
Webb for representing us to the LoCo Council.

You can view the discussion leading up to the ReApproval at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1075848

Anybody up for a ReApproval Party?

--Bob, who isn't really serious about another party...

On 13-04-29 01:20 PM, Bhavani Shankar wrote:
> I just went ahead and renewed the membership of ubuntu-ca for 2 years
> from now i.e 2015-04-29 as we have the required quorum of +1's :)
>
> Great work again and keep it up :-)
>
> Regards
> Bhavani
>
> ** Changed in: ubuntu-locoteams
> Status: In Progress => Fix Released
>
> ** Information type changed from Private Security to Public
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> Title:
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>
> Status in Ubuntu Local Community Teams Meta-project:
> Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> Launchpad Link:http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ca
>
> Re-approval task bug.
>
> This bug will be used to track the progress of the re-approval, and make sure that every team gets the needed follow-through.
> This bug will also allow us to keep a record of who was approved and re-approved when. Please keep in mind the only people who should be subscribed are the LoCo Council, and the team Contact. This bug will also be kept private, for council use.
>
> You can find all information about the reapproval process in this wikipage:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines
>
> Remember if you have questions please contact us adding an answer to
> this bug or by our mailing list, your cooperation is thanked kindly in
> advance.
>
> Cordially
> Ubuntu LoCo Council
>
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