@Paul

Thanks for carefully considering this issue. It's a bit more than a
terminology issue in my mind. It's an important factor in Ubuntu's
growth in popularity if we can do this right. And if we do it wrong,
we'll not have that super-energetic true community-level advocacy that
is so important.

To me it boils down to this: The confusion/imprecision around the
nomenclature is a distinct factor in the (lack of) formation of local
(community-based) teams. If I were to look at the current "LoCo" list, I
would get the quick impression that Ubuntu teams are by definition state
or country based. I might see a couple of outliers (Chicago, Bangalore,
etc.), but only if I'm paying attention, and I might get the impression
that they are misfits.) In short, I would feel isolated.

I do not see (and by see I mean observe, not envision) ReCo or CoCo
teams leading or facilitating the formation of truly local teams, nor do
I see them approving city/town level LoCo's. What I do see are people
driving hundreds of miles to occasionally meet other Ubuntu
users/advocates as FOSS conferences, etc because their teams are
registered at the state level. This is hobbling Ubuntu's growth. I also
see cities with over a million person population hosting Ubuntu Hours
and getting only a small handful of people. Is that good enough?

The bug is still a bug. If closing it makes life easier for a few very
busy people, then by all means do so and I will carry this torch forward
in different ways. I personally think that having it here and open is
useful for visibility until the issue is fixed. (Kind of like Bug #1. No
one thinks it's going to be solved easily or without pain, yet we keep
it open to remind everyone of our goal.)

About our friend Rhode Island: Ranked by population, the state's 5
largest municipalities are:
   1. Providence (175,255)
   2. Warwick (85,925)
   3. Cranston (81,479)
   4. Pawtucket (72,998)
   5. East Providence (49,123)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_island#Demographics

If Ubuntu has a 1% market share there, then that means there are
potentially over 200 Ubuntu users in even the smallest of these cities,
and the largest one has well over 1000. Rhode Island needs LoCo's too. A
ReCo isn't enough.








On 10-08-23 08:31 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> I looked at this again, and gave it a lot of thought.
>
> I've tried not to be rash, or brash.
>
> As far as I can tell, this is just a naming issue. I'm not sure re-
> naming teams is the best move right now, there has been a lot of really
> hard work historically on getting name recognition. This could also
> become an issue for stuff produced ( such as banners, posters, fliers )
>
> I see your point, and I don't disagree. I just think it's a problem with
> a solution that's already been in place.
>
> The only "critical" part of this is if teams are not being active on a
> low level. If a team is not active across more then one city, we'll (
> LoCo Council ) will notice.
>
> Now, for the forward looking part ( I hate looking to the past )
>
> You do bring up something we've not addressed in a strict sense. I think
> a fair and equitable solution would be to write up guidelines on
> maintaining a city-level presence ( of course, depending on state /
> country -- Rhode Island in the USA hardly needs more then one group ;)
> ).
>
> As for this bug, I think it's time to close it. I don't think we need
> this going forward, and I think it's just a terminology thing.
>
>
> Please do email me, or the loco council, though. I would like for you to be involved with how you would like to see standards implemented.
>
> Thanks for helping to make Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community a success
>
> ** Changed in: ubuntu-community
>        Status: Incomplete => Opinion
>
> ** Changed in: ubuntu-community
>      Assignee: Ubuntu LoCo Council (ubuntu-lococouncil) => (unassigned)
>
>