Comment 1691 for bug 1

Thats the thing i like about CentOS/EL... It is very stable and reliable. Also it is quite boring and does not ship with for example wine or azureus. However Neither does XP which is still quite popular... naturally we want to avoid a situation where we do not have centralized package management... but that does not mean that everything has to be distro-based. Take rpmfusion and atrpms for example. They both are multi-distro and multi-version.

Perhaps some of the packages in Ubuntu should not belong to Ubuntu but in a repository that is shared between debian-based distributions.

Possibly a build system could be used to make a common repository with both yum and apt repositories and QA teams for the mayor distributions. This would allow the distributions to focus more on distribution-specific task and less on building firefox and azureus....

As far as I am concerned 12.04 ks far to edgy and unpolished. 10.04 will be my choice for Ubuntu LTS edition until (and if) 12.04 matures. For servers I will stick to CentOS/EL because of the unbeatable support cycle, I can only get better support cycles if turning to Solaris or other non-FOSS software.

I think that for most users Linux are only suitable for the server side. They need reliable tools and not edgy and buggy things with the highest possible version number. Ubuntu 12.04 has not even passed alpha (appliance test) yet in my world, and 10.04 has to much outdated software. This is also true for the Red Hat camp... Fedora is to unstable and CentOS is to stable and conservative for desktops.

A repository that brings loads of fresh apps in the desktop category like firefox azureus and pidgin to conservative dists like 10.04 would and CentOS would be what these users need. Some of us wanna play with the latest kernel, btrfs and KVM features that makes Fedora/latest Ubuntu the best choice, but "Duncan Defaultuser" would want something right between a stable LTS/CentOS and our edgy dists... and no such option do exist unless they build packages themselves or install software in highly unrecommended ways.

The closest thing we have is CentOS + Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL) which is Fedora packages ported to CentOS/EL that is not supported by Red Het. However EPEL is seriously outdated and under staffed. This may have something to do with the part where it only supports CentOS/EL...

I started working on a wider repository but got stuck on porting Fedoras azureus to CentOS because it depends on maven3 which have circular dependencies and my knowledge of packaging was not enough to solve that... I gave up after about a week... In truth maven3 packaging belong to the jpackage project, but they seem to be as understaffed as the EPEL project. I did however have some minor Fedora Raẃhide packages building on Fedora 15 and 16 plus CentOS 5 and 6 on the SUSE build farm from common source packages. SUSE do not support debian distributions so I never tried compiling for those.

> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:29 +0000
> From: <email address hidden>
> To: <email address hidden>
> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
>
> Hi,
>
> while setting up my production 12.04 machine I stumbled upon a few
> issues, e.g. bug #768931 - "no custom icon on launcher displayed for
> mono winforms and ogre apps".
>
> This bug also crashes/closes the complete unity interface when the
> user does the wrong click. And the Bug is there since 11.04 as far as
> I could see.
>
> I went crazy using Windows, but there are some categories of
> annoyances you would never experience on Windows - as the bug above.
> What image do I get with Ubuntu in front of newly converted Duncan
> Defaultuser telling him, that unfortunately not all applications are
> displayed well on your taskbar. I mean, this is a core desktop feature
> that should work in the same reliable way as the underying core OS.
> Such issues (and there are a few) feed the image of Linux being only
> suitable for the server side. :-(
>
> Best regards, Martin.
>
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> Title:
> Microsoft has a majority market share
>
> Status in Club Distro:
> Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
> Confirmed
> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
> New
> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
> Invalid
> Status in dylan.NET:
> Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
> Invalid
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
> Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX:
> Invalid
> Status in LibreOffice:
> In Progress
> Status in The Linux Kernel:
> New
> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
> In Progress
> Status in The Linux OS Project:
> In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager:
> In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
> In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu:
> Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
> Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player:
> Invalid
> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
> In Progress
> Status in Ubuntu:
> In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu:
> In Progress
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope:
> Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty:
> Invalid
> Status in Arch Linux:
> Confirmed
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
> Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian:
> In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
> Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE:
> In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux:
> New
>
> Bug description:
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>
> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
> potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
> 1. Visit a local PC store.
>
> What happens:
> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>
> What should happen:
> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>
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