Activity log for bug #1215463

Date Who What changed Old value New value Message
2013-08-22 14:15:15 Jason Gerard DeRose bug added bug
2013-08-22 14:15:15 Jason Gerard DeRose attachment added screenshot.png https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1215463/+attachment/3782625/+files/screenshot.png
2013-08-22 14:16:01 Jason Gerard DeRose branch linked lp:~jderose/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-settings-daemon/tune-syndaemon2
2013-08-22 14:19:35 Jason Gerard DeRose bug task added system76
2013-08-22 14:19:59 Jason Gerard DeRose tags amd64 apport-bug saucy third-party-packages amd64 apport-bug saucy system76 third-party-packages
2013-08-22 14:21:55 Jason Gerard DeRose system76: status New Fix Committed
2013-08-22 14:21:59 Jason Gerard DeRose system76: importance Undecided High
2013-08-22 14:22:02 Jason Gerard DeRose system76: assignee Jason Gerard DeRose (jderose)
2013-08-22 14:28:38 Jason Gerard DeRose description On a modern laptop with a large touchpad/clickpad, your palms tend to brush the touch surface as you type. The problem is that on Ubuntu, this creates an annoying amount of cursor wiggle. Competing platforms don't have this problem, so this needs to be improved on Ubuntu. Part of the problem is the is that `xserver-xorg-input-synaptics` driver doesn't do effective palm detection (it seems), and part of the problem is that `gnome-settings-daemon` launches `syndaemon` such that it *never* disables cursor movement. Currently syndaemon is launched like this: syndaemon -i 1.0 -t -K -R The "-t" option tells syndaemon to never block cursor movement. It will only block accidental vertical scrolling (which is darn near impossible to do on a modern system with two finger scrolling), and block accidental tap-to-click (which seems unlikely something you can do by mistake with your palms). So from a user perspective, "Disable while typing" currently does nothing. I'm proposing that syndaemon instead be launched like this: syndaemon -i 0.5 -K -R Without the "-t" option, syndaemon will block cursor movement, vertical scrolling, and tap-to-click. And the "-i 0.5" means it will block it for 500ms (half a second). System76 has been shipping a patched `gnome-settings-daemon` (Raring) on all our products for the last two months, and we've received no support issues about it (if this caused noticeable usability issues, I'm confident we'd have heard about it). We've also done a lot of testing and tuning on the timeout threshold, and 500ms seems like about the sweet spot. It's long enough to be decently effective for most typists, but not so long that the user will catch the trackpad still disabled when they move from typing back to "cursoring" :P Note that this isn't a prefect solution, and you really can't do this especially well with a static timeout anyway (would be better to be dynamic based on typing speed). For slow typists, 500ms often isn't long enough. But for now, I feel it's better to find that sweet spot where it at least gives some improvement for most users, without causing any negative impact for any users. I have a Saucy package available for testing here: https://launchpad.net/~system76-dev/+archive/daily?field.series_filter=saucy And the proposed branch here: https://code.launchpad.net/~jderose/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-settings-daemon/tune-syndaemon2 ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 13.10 Package: gnome-settings-daemon 3.6.4-0ubuntu16 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.11.0-3.7-generic 3.11.0-rc6 Uname: Linux 3.11.0-3-generic x86_64 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia ApportVersion: 2.12.1-0ubuntu2 Architecture: amd64 Date: Thu Aug 22 07:35:33 2013 MarkForUpload: True SourcePackage: gnome-settings-daemon UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) On a modern laptop with a large touchpad/clickpad, your palms tend to brush the touch surface as you type. The problem is that on Ubuntu, this creates an annoying amount of cursor wiggle. Competing platforms don't have this problem, so this needs to be improved on Ubuntu. Part of the problem is that `xserver-xorg-input-synaptics` driver doesn't do effective palm detection (it seems), and part of the problem is that `gnome-settings-daemon` launches `syndaemon` such that it *never* disables cursor movement. Currently syndaemon is launched like this:   syndaemon -i 1.0 -t -K -R The "-t" option tells syndaemon to never block cursor movement. It will only block accidental vertical scrolling (which is darn near impossible to do on a modern system with two finger scrolling), and block accidental tap-to-click (which seems unlikely something you can do by mistake with your palms). So from a user perspective, "Disable while typing" currently does nothing. I'm proposing that syndaemon instead be launched like this:   syndaemon -i 0.5 -K -R Without the "-t" option, syndaemon will block cursor movement, vertical scrolling, and tap-to-click. And the "-i 0.5" means it will block it for 500ms (half a second). System76 has been shipping a patched `gnome-settings-daemon` (Raring) on all our products for the last two months, and we've received no support issues about it (if this caused noticeable usability issues, I'm confident we'd have heard about it). We've also done a lot of testing and tuning on the timeout threshold, and 500ms seems like about the sweet spot. It's long enough to be decently effective for most typists, but not so long that the user will catch the trackpad still disabled when they move from typing back to "cursoring" :P Note that this isn't a prefect solution, and you really can't do this especially well with a static timeout anyway (would be better to be dynamic based on typing speed). For slow typists, 500ms often isn't long enough. But for now, I feel it's better to find that sweet spot where it at least gives some improvement for most users, without causing any negative impact for any users. I have a Saucy package available for testing here: https://launchpad.net/~system76-dev/+archive/daily?field.series_filter=saucy And the proposed branch here: https://code.launchpad.net/~jderose/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-settings-daemon/tune-syndaemon2 ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 13.10 Package: gnome-settings-daemon 3.6.4-0ubuntu16 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.11.0-3.7-generic 3.11.0-rc6 Uname: Linux 3.11.0-3-generic x86_64 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia ApportVersion: 2.12.1-0ubuntu2 Architecture: amd64 Date: Thu Aug 22 07:35:33 2013 MarkForUpload: True SourcePackage: gnome-settings-daemon UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
2013-09-03 21:01:52 Launchpad Janitor gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu): status New Confirmed
2013-10-23 09:36:22 Alberto Salvia Novella gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu): status Confirmed Fix Committed
2013-10-23 09:37:04 Alberto Salvia Novella gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu): status Fix Committed Triaged
2013-10-23 09:38:49 Alberto Salvia Novella gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu): importance Undecided Medium
2013-10-23 09:39:23 Alberto Salvia Novella gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu): status Triaged Confirmed
2013-10-23 09:40:18 Alberto Salvia Novella bug added subscriber Alberto Salvia Novella
2013-10-23 09:40:52 Alberto Salvia Novella bug task added hundredpapercuts
2013-10-23 09:41:16 Alberto Salvia Novella hundredpapercuts: status New Confirmed
2013-11-04 13:38:43 Sebastien Bacher gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu): importance Medium Low
2014-01-20 11:05:41 Alberto Salvia Novella hundredpapercuts: importance Undecided Low
2014-01-24 15:39:31 Dario Ruellan bug added subscriber Dario Ruellan
2014-07-11 10:08:08 Stéphane Verdy bug added subscriber Stéphane Verdy
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