The "Timeout before the fade-out" value of 250ms for cursor on thumb is way to low

Bug #778891 reported by Doug McMahon
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Bug Description

Binary package hint: overlay-scrollbar

Not sure what is the thinking here, but as it stands the current timeout of 250ms makes using scroll on thumb virtually worthless, particularly on un maxed windows
If one tries to read something the thumb fades and has to be reacquired thru mouse move

Why the need to fade at all while cursor remains on thumb is quite debatable - if a fade is desired then it should be much higher, 5000ms at a min.

Noting that the presence of a thumb inside of a maxed window is not that big an issue, most time in that case it's not even used or can be removed by moving cursor

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
Package: overlay-scrollbar 0.1.12-0ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic 2.6.38.2
Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
Architecture: i386
Date: Sat May 7 02:34:14 2011
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Release i386 (20110427.1)
PackageArchitecture: all
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=en_US:en
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: overlay-scrollbar
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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Doug McMahon (mc3man) wrote :
summary: - The "Timeout before the fade-out" value of 250ms for cursor on thimb
+ The "Timeout before the fade-out" value of 250ms for cursor on thumb
is way to low
Andrea Cimitan (cimi)
tags: added: design
removed: apport-bug i386 natty running-unity
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Andrea Cimitan (cimi) wrote :

we're still testing all settings, and we will conduct more quantitative user testing in the next months, so to adjust the settings accordingly to people needs

Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: New → Opinion
Changed in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu):
status: New → Opinion
Revision history for this message
Doug McMahon (mc3man) wrote :

Well I now see the scrollbar in fairly widespread use in 11.10.
So I'd consider this a usability bug - as in,
If the function to use the thumb to scroll is available it should be usable for most if not all use cases.
There is no good reason to fade the thumb while it's being used for scrolling in the first place.

If it has to be so then the time to fade should be much higher, the 250ms translates into about 1.5 sec's or so until the thumb is lost and then needs to be re-acquired
This does not account for users who want to read thru text, ect. before scrolling on unless you can do so in around 2 sec.'s or less.

Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: Opinion → New
Changed in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu):
status: Opinion → New
Revision history for this message
Andrea Cimitan (cimi) wrote :

right now I've disabled the fadeout on scroll over the thumb

Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: New → Fix Committed
Changed in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu):
status: New → Fix Committed
Revision history for this message
Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote :

This bug was fixed in the package overlay-scrollbar - 0.2.4-0ubuntu1

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overlay-scrollbar (0.2.4-0ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low

  * New upstream release.
    - Animate page up and page down.
    - Fine scroll after paging.
    - Enable glib assertions on releases.
    - Fix thumb rendering on page up and down.
    - disabled the fadeout on scroll over the thumb (LP: #778891)
 -- Ken VanDine <email address hidden> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:31:00 -0400

Changed in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu):
status: Fix Committed → Fix Released
Andrea Cimitan (cimi)
Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: Fix Committed → Fix Released
Revision history for this message
Doug McMahon (mc3man) wrote :

The fade on thumb seems to returned in both 11.10 & 12.04 (0.2.14-0ubuntu1)precise; & is still set at 250ms
If intended, well so be it it, but as before doesn't make much sense.

Changed in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu):
status: Fix Released → New
tags: added: regression-release
Doug McMahon (mc3man)
tags: added: oneric precise
Doug McMahon (mc3man)
Changed in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu):
status: New → Invalid
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