Cut "power" / Emergency / Engineshutdown

Bug #1613333 reported by Stijn
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Cédric GNIEWEK

Bug Description

Hello,

Becauze in different country's the emergencysystem is others, i think that ORTS ignore the monitoringitems that have realtion with panto down/cut power by emergency...

Trains in country where i live, dont lower the pantograph or shutdown by emergencybrake, onley the power has been cut. (In real the must rearm with a Disjonteur or close circuit again)

For circuitsimulation (Disjoncteur, DUR...) they can be better add a keyboard command, with soundstream for the buttons and rearm. Now the panto up en down sounds are been played...

If the circuit is broken, onley the ventilation... must be schutdown (MSTS Bin stream 23/24)

Now the sounds of stream 45/46/66/67 are played too.

They other things is if the train brakes, the traction not cutes anymore, like in MSTS

If you do emergencybraking by youre own (emergenypushbutton) the traction stay on 100%, it gives wheelsleep or not fastest brake as result.

MY opinian too is that the locomotive or EMU onley must cuts power and lowered panto, if this have given in the monitoringcommando's:

 DoesBrakeCutPower ( 1 ) !!!
 BrakeCutsPowerAtBrakeCylinderPressure ( 70 ) !!!

 EmergencyStopMonitor (
  MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit ( 0 )
  MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceResetLevel ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake ( 1 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower ( 1 ) !!!
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine ( 0 ) !!!
 )
 VigilanceMonitor (
  MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit ( 34 )
  MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit ( 30 )
  MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceResetLevel ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake ( 1 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower ( 0 ) !!!
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine ( 0 ) !!!
  MonitoringDeviceResetOnDirectionNeutral ( 1 )
  MonitoringDeviceResetOnResetButton( 1 )
 )
 OverspeedMonitor(
  MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit( 5 )
  MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel( 350 )
  MonitoringDeviceResetLevel( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower( 0 ) !!!
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine( 0 ) !!!
  MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeed( 1 )
  MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeedMargin( 2 )
  MonitoringDeviceResetOnResetButton( 1 )
  )

Greetz,

Stijn

Changed in or:
status: New → Incomplete
status: Incomplete → In Progress
assignee: nobody → Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana)
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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

I'm currently rewriting a part of the default TCS script for the vigilance system.
I am already integrating the ResetOnDirectionNeutral parameter.

For the parameters highlighted above :
DoesBrakeCutPower is not implemented.
BrakeCutsPowerAtBrakeCylinderPressure is not implemented.
AppliesCutsPower should already work at least on electric locomotives.
AppliesShutsDownEngine is not implemented.

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :

Indeed, and can this be implemented please?

As cabvieweditor & engineer in this case, a engineer hopes that the train do what he have programmed in the ENG file offcourse.

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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

The DoesBrakeCutPower and BrakeCutsPowerAtBrakeCylinderPressure parameters have been implemented in revision #3610.

The AppliesCutsPower and AppliesShutsDownEngine parameters still have to be implemented for Diesel locomotives.

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :

Hello,

I have test on a electric train, if you braking the "linevoltage" meter go to zero. pantograph is up. A electric train must be normaly set traction to zero if you braking.

Like in MSTS it was correct.

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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

Ok, I will try something else.

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :

I have make a example in MSTS, with Belgian locomotive.

Greetz,

Stijn

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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

Ok, please test with revision #3611.

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :

This was the example, i forgot add link to my message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AmcD8tag-w

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :

Hello,

I have/will test with a Engine, bud he wil not give traction on X3611

Tested again on stable version, he give traction.

With a enine & TCS script , train drive, bud by brake, the traction not stops :-(

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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

That's normal : the DoesBrakeCutsPower parameter is handled by the TCS.
It works with the default TCS.

This behaviour is currently not integrated with the TCS France script.

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :
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Ok, Bud by locomotive that use onley a script for the brake (PBL2), he dont depart.

brakes are release... maybe i have wrong ENG file data?

CODE:

SIMISA@@@@@@@@@@JINX0D0t______

Wagon ( HLE2727
 Type ( Engine )
 WagonShape ( HLE2727.s )
 Size ( 2.950038m 5.519973m 19.10125m )
 CentreOfGravity ( 0m 2.812418m 0m )
 Mass ( 84t )
 WheelRadius ( 0.625m )
 InertiaTensor (
  Box ( 2.950038m 5.519973m 19.10125m )
 )
 Adheasion ( 0.85 1.30 2.0 0 )
 DerailRailHeight ( 4cm )
 DerailRailForce ( "2.5m/(s^2)*68t" )
 DerailBufferForce ( 200kN )
 NumWheels ( 8 )
 Friction (
  300.9N/m/s -0.1 1.3mph 2.23N/m/s 1.837
  5.1N/rad/s 1 -1rad/s 0 1
 )
 comment ( -------- Attelage -------- )
 Coupling (
  Type ( Chain )
  Spring (
   Stiffness ( 1e6N/m 2e6N/m )
   Damping ( 1e6N/m/s 1e6N/m/s )
   Break ( 1e7N 1e7N )
   r0 ( 10cm 40cm )
  )
  CouplingHasRigidConnection ( )
  Velocity ( 0.1m/s )
 )
 Coupling (
  Type ( Chain )
  Spring (
   Stiffness ( 1e6N/m 2e6N/m )
   Damping ( 1e6N/m/s 1e6N/m/s )
   Break ( 1e7N 1e7N )
   r0 ( 10cm 40cm )
  )
  CouplingHasRigidConnection ( )
  Velocity ( 0.1m/s )
 )
 Buffers (
  Spring (
   Stiffness ( 5e6N/m 5e6N/m )
   Damping ( 1e6N/m/s 1e6N/m/s )
   r0 ( 0m 1e9 )
  )
  Centre ( 0.5 )
  Radius ( 1 )
  Angle ( 0.5deg )
 )
     comment(-------- Freinage --------)

 BrakeEquipmentType ( "Triple_Valve,Distributor,auxilary_reservoir,emergency_brake_reservoir" )
 BrakeSystemType ( "Air_twin_pipe" )
 MaxBrakeForce ( 72.08kN )
 MaxReleaseRate ( 30 )
 MaxApplicationRate ( 15 )
 MaxAuxilaryChargingRate ( 20 )

 BrakeDistributorTrainPipeAuxResPressureDifferenceForApplication ( 1 )
 BrakeDistributorEmergencyApplicationPressure ( 0 )
 BrakeDistributorEmergencyApplicationRate ( 20 )

 BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce ( 51.4 )

 BrakeDistributorFullServicePressure ( 51.4 )
 BrakeDistributorMaxAuxilaryResPressure ( 73 )
 BrakeDistributorEmergencyResPressure ( 73 )
 BrakeDistributorReleaseRate ( 15 )
 BrakeDistributorApplicationRate ( 20 )
 BrakeDistributorTrainPipeControlRatio ( 2.27 )
 BrakeDistributorNormalFullReleasePressure ( 73 )

 TripleValveRatio ( 2.27 )
 Lights ( 27
  comment ( ***************************************** )
    comment ( ** Total lights: 27 ** )
  comment ( ***************************************** )
   comment ( ** Light update MSTSBin by: Stoomfan ** )
    comment ( ** <email address hidden> ** )
  comment ( ***************************************** )
    comment ( ** Update: 07-02-2007 ** )
  comment ( ***************************************** )

  comment ( ***************************************** )
  comment ( ** Light switch (default: H) On (Dim) ** )
  comment ( ** Number of lights: 5 ** )
  comment ( ***************************************** )
  Light (
   comment( Front Sphere of light )
   Type ( 1 )
   Conditions (
    Headlight ( 2 )
                                Control ( 2 )
    Penalty ( 1 )
    Unit ( 2 )
    )
   Cycle ( 0 )
   FadeIn ( 0.5 )
   FadeOut ( 1 )
   States ( 1
    State (
     Duration ( 0.0 )
     LightColour ( 80ffffff )
     Position ( 0.0 2.0 8.6 )
     T...

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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

If you activate the DoesBrakeCutsPower parameter, you need to set a BrakeCutsPowerAtBrakeCylinderPressure value.

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :

Hello,

I have see in this ENG file :

BrakeCutsPowerAtBrakeCylinderPressure ( 70 )

was missing, now the train departs as well, bud i think 70 PSI is not good

by brake, traction stays, by full & Emergencybrake too.

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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

70 PSI is too much.
It's the brake cylinder pressure that is used in order to determine if we are braking, not the brake pipe pressure.

For example, the Acela has 15 PSI => 1% at the brake controller activates the traction cut-off.

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Stijn (stijndecaluwe) wrote :

This values are comes out , MSTS ENG file, bud i have change to 15, and yes, now it works fine.

Youre tips, i add to a Word.doc too for use in al my ENG files & WAG files.

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Cédric GNIEWEK (sharpeserana) wrote :

Due to the implementation of DoesBrakeCutPower, a lot of locomotives have no traction.
See http://www.elvastower.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28929-no-throttle-since-x3611/

Fixed in revision 3617 : added a default value for BrakeCutsPowerAtBrakeCylinderPressure.

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