Hi Dennis,As I reported this as a bug concerning locos which required the use of the Small Injector to release the brakes, my first test only used such locos.As such, this is my initial report.I used the Bala Hub route because it has a good selection of GWR/exGWR locos - I know it's not on your list!  I tested using MSTS, ORTS X2647 and X2649.  Of the 15 lsuitable locos in this route, 9 used the Small Injector.The average time between pressing the <;> key and the loco beginning to move :MSTS : 10 seconds (Small Injector already opened) (ranged between 9.0 and 11.9 seconds)X2647 : 42.5 seconds (ranged between 33.0 and 48.6 seconds)X2649 : 5.0 seconds (ranged between 3.5 and 6.0 seconds, although the 3.5 loco was an outstanding exception!)
For my next report, I'll select GWR/exGWR locos from other sources.  I'll also include some other vacuum-braked locos to test their performance.
Well done for this effort!!  Although it might now be too quick for the purists!
Regards,Ged

> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:29:37 +0000
> From: <email address hidden>
> To: <email address hidden>
> Subject: [Bug 1391449] Re: Use of Small Injector to release GWR loco brakes
> 
> Hi Ged,
> 
> Attached is my test version of RunActivity based on V2649.  You should
> install V2649 before using my test programs.
> 
> I believe my system is clean but PLEASE treat these programs as
> suspiciously as you would any others from unknown sources.  They are not
> endorsed by the OR developers in any way.
> 
> I believe you should see improvements in brake response on long trains (V2 Mail on SCP, for instance).
> The problem with Injector released brakes should also be dodged; you should be able to move the controller straight from apply to the "Stop" in the "Running" sector and get the best release rate.
> 
> Some of the slow brake responses seem to be due to eng file settings.
> I've seen release rates of 2inHg/sec specified which means it's going to
> take at least 10 seconds to go from brake full on to off.  This may be
> prototypical but MSTS seems to act much faster than that, OR tries to
> follow the parameters exactly.
> 
> For steam testing, if you use SCP, S&D, WSR, SVR or Swanage I should be
> able to reproduce any problems you find.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> ** Attachment added: "RunActivity.zip"
>    https://bugs.launchpad.net/or/+bug/1391449/+attachment/4261721/+files/RunActivity.zip
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> Title:
>   Use of Small Injector to release GWR loco brakes
> 
> Status in Open Rails Tracker:
>   New
> 
> Bug description:
>   Hi,
>   In accordance with real-life practice, many MSTS models of steam locos with a Great Western Railway origin require the Small Injector to be open in order to release the brakes.  This is not, currently, included within Open Rails with the result that it not possible to satisfactorily drive these locos.  I say "satisfactorily" because after a comparatively long time (2 minutes), the brakes do release.  This is shown at the top left of the OR screen against the Train brake entry where, when the value of inHg reaches 19, the loco starts to move (the maximum for this value is 25, which was the standard pressure for GWR locos).  Typically, MSTS takes just over 1 second to release the brakes once the Small Injector is opened.  When running in MSTS, the Small Injector is closed to conserve steam; the brakes can be applied normally when it is closed.
> 
>   For testing this, a suitable freeware loco is available from the UKTS
>   file library, as file ID 28517 (RF_BR_78xx_7812); it also requires the
>   GWR Sound Set (file ID 6481) which is automatically installed in the
>   common.sound folder.  This loco was selected because it starts with
>   the Small Injector closed and the brakes on.
> 
>   Although the non-functioning of keys H J and K is covered in bug
>   372867, no detail was provided
> 
>   Regards,
>   Ged
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