Scaine: >I can't see anyone taking up this torch when a new Gnome and theme engine are just round the corner. Perhaps.. Should we need to bring this bug to the attention of the Gnome developers ASAP? >To my mind, the importance (low) of this bug speaks volumes regarding whether it will be fixed. Anyone who thinks this bug is low should go without resizing their windows for a few days. Maybe then they will still say it is low. But then the next thing they should do is install of of those prank programs that move your mouse a little bit right as you click. That is what this feels like, a sad joke. I know I CAN grab the edge, but I just can't .... oh FINALLY!!!! It isn't "mission critical", but this is definitely in my mind a medium priority fix. Trust me, if it hurts usability, and it does, people will be turned off and give up Linux. This bug honestly did help push me to give up after years and I have just returned in 10.10 hoping it was fixed. (YAY Foursquare Flash!!!) I know I am not the only one. But I am one of the few savvy enough to find Launchpad. But look around, and you will see how many are affected by how many have in fact found launchpad.... . And that is just... so sad. We can do better than this... can't we? >Sorry if I sound jaded. In my head, this bug was buried a long time ago. No need to apologize for your feelings. JFK said that "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself." I say he is wrong, we have to and must fear losing our hope. Without Richard Stallman's hope, even as a lone man with an idea, we wouldn't be here discussing this right now. We have the blessing, to be (probably) a part of what makes it right. >I'd also like to suggest that it gets fixed in Ubuntu 10.04 as that is a LTS release. I want to say I agree, but it depends on how LTS is looked at. I say fix it for anything you can, but "generally" new features aren't added, is my understanding. However this is worthy imho if any are. You shouldn't have to be held back because your computer works fine, you upgrade monitors or a mouse because the old one died and your experience is hurt. >Will the border be too large at lower resolutions? As the person below you said, testing will be needed. But I wonder how can you honestly ask this question. Do you mean that between someone having too much and another not having enough, you would rather someone without enough to do without? Perhaps that is what this debate is about, and I completely missed the boat. If an "easy" fix would be to just make the borders bigger, then we would in fact be sacrificing usability for aesthetics. Aesthetics are required for optimal usability, but this is just.. well unjust is what it is. But at the same time, I don't want to ruin someone else's experience. That wouldn't be good either. So really, we must figure this out, because I don't know how to put it any other way except it is SUPER_MEGA_FREAKING annoying and people have probably quit using Ubuntu/Meta CIty more than we know because they can't even resize a SUPER_MEGA_FREAKING window... Sorry to be so.... frank. But I sometimes wonder if developers get it... Remember, users are people too! ; ) (We just may do it differently.) Just to recap, we can have different theme's with bigger borders, and that will fix the issue, but it just looks non-pleasing. So us users want the aesthetics and be able to have usability. I feel that looking to the way others do it may be the best way, as I see no need to reinvent the wheel. A few pixels past the border seems to be how it works in Windows, I do not know about Macs. Anyone care to help test on different monitors on native resolution to see if there is a pattern, or if it is just a set amount of pixels? I am thinking it may "scale" with the resolution...