Description of -owner field is wrong

[Hgerstung]

In the web interface, list administration section "General
options" there is a field called "umbrella_member_suffix",
which is "-owner" by default.

In the detailed help for this field it reads:
When "umbrella_list" is set to indicate that this list has
other mailing lists as members, then administrative
notices like confirmations and password reminders need
to not be sent to the member list addresses, but rather
to the owner of those member lists. In that case, the
value of this setting is appended to the member's
account name for such notices. `-owner' is the typical
choice. This setting has no effect when "umbrella_list"
is "No".

The last sentence indicates that this field is not used
anywhere when the field umbrella_list is set to No. This
is wrong, because the owner address is used in
automatic replies sent to non-subscripted users trying to
send a mail to the list, which is automatically rejected.

So, I see two possibilities:
Change the description of the field, saying that this
suffix also is used for building the list owner address
(e.g. list "xxx" means a xxx-owner@domain mail address)
or (my favourite way) introduce a new field for setting
up a list owner address AND be able to edit this "your
message has been rejected" mail message (e.g. using a
template for this), because even when I edit the
LC_MESSAGES file, I have no chance to edit the english
texts without diving into the sources, which makes
upgrades a crap.

Great software, keep on!
Kind regards,
Heiko

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[Ppsys (ppsys)]

You observation is incorrect because the description is about the use of
the field NOT the alias and it is NOT said that the alias specified is
used
for no other purpose. The -owner alias is defined on all lists and has
other uses.

The use of the -owner alias for other purposes is not directly related to

its use as a target for certain types of message when the list is marked
as being an umbrella list. If you do not want the -owner alias used this
way when the list is an umbrella list you can define an alternative alias,

-stuff for example, setting the field on the GUI accordingly. You can then

specify what the incoming MTA is to do with messages addressed to the
-stuff alias in whatever way you want (> /dev/null for instance)

[Hgerstung (hgerstung)]

Sorry, but I did not get it. Is there any other field which is
used to setup the list-owner address used in several
messages or procedures?

The field "owner" is used to setup "The list administrator
email addresses." , so please let me suggest to use this field
(e.g. the first entry) instead of the "list-owner" address
which - this is unusual for mailman - seems to be hardcoded
in sourcecode and can not be altered.

This looks like a special requirement for me, but I do not want
to have an alias "-owner" for every list I run, a single mail
address used to let the list members know where they can
get further help would be sufficient for me.

So, please consider this as a humble request for feature:
Do not use a hardcoded "-owner"-alias for creating reject
messages or other types of error/notification messages, use
the first "owner" address entry
OR
Create and use a template for those messages, which could
easily be customized by everyone - even for the english
language texts (which is not possible for the LC_MESSAGES,
at the moment)

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer me,
kind regards,
Heiko