http://ubuntu-tam.org website restore

[ஆமாச்சு]

Hi,

We would like to restore our web site. It was http://ubuntu-tam.org

Regards,

Sri Ramadoss M
Team Contact - Ubuntu Tamil Team

[Chris Jones (cmsj)]

I have restored the database to our servers. You will need to point the DNS for www.ubuntu-tam.org and ubuntu-tam.org to 82.211.81.226.
Looking at the domain I believe it's hosted in the same place as many other LoCo domains, and that Nick Ali should be able to do that, so I'm assigning this to him.

Nick: If that's wrong or when you've done it, could you bounce this back to me?

[Nick Ali (nali)]

DNS updated.

[Chris Jones (cmsj)]

Sri: The main drupal site is restored (although I am not sure if I used the right theme - the andreas theme refused to work with drupal 5.2). I noticed that there were quite a few other sites in the ubuntu-tam.org directory. Were these personal sites?

On 8/22/07, Chris Jones <email address hidden> wrote:
>
> Sri: The main drupal site is restored (although I am not sure if I used
> the right theme - the andreas theme refused to work with drupal 5.2). I
> noticed that there were quite a few other sites in the ubuntu-tam.org
> directory. Were these personal sites?
>

yes.. we have ubuntu tamil planet.. ubuntu tamil wiki and forums..

new site based on new ubuntu template were on the making...

kindly restore them.. there were few download folders to...

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[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

> Were these personal sites?

No not personal sites... Yes in previous reply was not intended for personal site.. we have Ubuntu Tamil Planet, Ubuntu Tamil Wiki etc.,

Regards,
Sri Ramadoss M

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

Hey,

As already said (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-July/001488.html) we have got a sponsor to host our site ourselves. It would also be great if you could just recover the data and provide us the same & point the DNS for www.ubuntu-tam.org and ubuntu-tam.org as mentioned below.

The DNS need to be,

primary dns: ns1.bluehost.com - 74.220.195.31
secondary dns: ns2.bluehost.com - 69.89.16.4

We will manage to build a new site based on new templates available.

Thanks in advance

Regards,

Sri Ramadoss M
Ubuntu Tamil Team

[Nick Ali (nali)]

As stated under the Domain Name Service section in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting, there is no need to change the DNS servers. Please provide the IP address of the server that will host your sites. The DNS settings will be changed to point to that IP address.

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

ns1.bluehost.com - 74.220.195.31
ns2.bluehost.com - 69.89.16.4

are the two they have provided.

and kindly update us on the backup of existing site. it has lot of manual pages.

regards.

[Nick Ali (nali)]

Please ask bluehost for the IP of the server. This is something they should be able to provide pretty easily.

[Chris Jones (cmsj)]

amachu: I have emailed you with a URL to a tarball containing a backup of your site.

[Paul Bartell (paul-bartell)]

Nick, sorry to jump in here, but cant you put those two bluehost nameservers as NS records on the Dns server currently hosting ubuntu-tam.org?

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

the ip is: 69.89.27.234

will it do?

Chris,

Thank you for sending the backup of site. I got it and will verify and get back on the same.

Regards

[Nick Ali (nali)]

DNS changed for www.ubuntu-tam.org and ubuntu-tam.org to 69.89.27.234.

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

Hi,

1) This is the hint they have given,

Addon Domains will not be functional unless the domain name is registered with a valid registrar and configured to point to our DNS servers.

2) I have attached the top and bottom portion of the message log when i tried to add the domain.

Guess the ip is: 74.220.195.31 or ns1.bluehost.com

Really sorry if am giving little trouble for you.

Amachu

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

hey,

its not working :-(

regards

[Matthias Urlichs (smurf)]

They say: <h3 class="style2">There is no website configured at this address.</h3>

This is not a DNS problem. This is a straightforward web server configuration issue.

I assume, cynic that I am, that they insist on having the domain on their servers because they want to park it there if it ever expires (and extort money for it if you want it back, or somebody else wants it).

… which is why we will not transfer the domain to them, or anybody else for that matter. There is NO TECHNICAL REASON WHATSOEVER why we should do that, much less want to.

Please either ask Bluehost support to add the domain without creating a new DNS entry (it already exists, dammit!), figure out how to do it with their web interface, or use a different provider.

[Matthew Nuzum (newz)]

By updating the domain to use bluehost's DNS servers, we lose nothing. Anytime we choose, we can update the domain again and point to our DNS servers again.

The way I understand it (I've had a bluehost account before) they host the DNS so that if they change IP addresses to reprovision sites (since, like every hosting provider, they oversell their services and sometimes need to relocate sites if too many on the same server start to use the disk space they're actually sold).

This is really no big deal and shouldn't be a major problem. We're not giving the domain to bluehost, we're just letting them manage the DNS.

[Matthias Urlichs (smurf)]

I can of course pull the zone from their DNS server; that's usually done, on the primary's side, by adding our master server (eshu.ubuntu-eu.org, 88.191.46.53) as an additional secondary DNS server.

This, however, does not require that the master ubuntu-tam.org NS records, which "whois" (or the screenshot in this bug) reports, point to bluehost.

In any case, I just tried to check whether a zone transfer would work, but bluehost's name server doesn't even know about the zone:

$ dig @ns1.bluehost.com ubuntu-tam.org any

; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> @ns1.bluehost.com ubuntu-tam.org
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 9278
[...]

[Nick Ali (nali)]

I will go out on a limb and say that bluehost won't even let you create the ubuntu-tam.org if it doesn't find the dns already set to bluehost.

[Matthias Urlichs (smurf)]

Yes, I've come to almost expect that kind of stupidity from cheap hosters. :-(

The problem with that approach is that it makes any attempt to implement uninterrupted service to a domain, or a controlled switch-over to a new hoster, basically impossible.

As noris network (the company I co-own and which handles the DNS requests) is anything *but* a cheap hoster, our DNS update/transfer scripts get very unhappy if the "new" DNS server does not know about the domain or is not in a sensible state (non-authoritative, reports a lower sequence number, et al.) before we allow a switch-over request to be posted to our registrar.

Catch-22, anybody? :-/

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

//This is really no big deal and shouldn't be a major problem. We're not giving the domain to bluehost, we're just letting them manage the DNS.//

Hi,

I registered http://anbu.in with brainpulse.com and pointed the DNS to bluehost. Except for the hosting brainpulse account has control over registration even now.

Like wise I hope even if the DNS is pointed bluehost the control will still be with canonical.

Kindly do it since our site is down for almost a month's time now.

ns1.bluehost.com - 74.220.195.31
ns2.bluehost.com - 69.89.16.4

Or if you feel its better to manage it within us, send us the ftp, database account details and all other relevant details , necessary to start our work immediately. Its fine for us.

Regards,
Amachu

[Matthias Urlichs (smurf)]

*Sigh*. I've triggered a NS record change. Should be active later today.

Sorry for being obnoxious here, but doing this manually, especially in the brain-dead way bluehost forces us to, is a nontrivial amount of work.

[Matthias Urlichs (smurf)]

... not to mention that bluehost violates core DNS requirements -- by not even being reachable via TCP.

$ telnet ns1.bluehost.com 53
Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
$ telnet ns2.bluehost.com 53
Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

Have fun. You'll certainly need it, dealing with a hoster whose configuration is *that* broken.

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

Hey,

Thank You. Kindly visit http://ubuntu-tam.org

One thing that we still miss is the database back-ups of the previous site.

Please provide the same.

Amachu

[Nick Ali (nali)]

Stop by #canonical-syadmin during London business hours and ask for the backups.

nick

[Chris Jones (cmsj)]

I have a backup available, as Nick says, please come to #canonical-sysadmin during UK office hours I will provide you with a link. Alternatively, I can email you the link.

[ஆமாச்சு (amachu)]

Chris,

Ok. I will visit #canonical-sysadmin tomorrow UK business hours. Your nick? I request you to send it also to amachu AT ubuntu dot com

[Matthias Urlichs (smurf)]

Hi,

ஆமாச்சு:
> Chris,
>
> Ok. I will visit #canonical-sysadmin tomorrow UK business hours. Your
> nick? I request you to send it also to amachu AT ubuntu dot com
>
?? I'm not Chris.

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[Matthias Urlichs (smurf)]

Bah. Ignore me, I completely missed the fact that this was a bug email.
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