Details in source package portlet don't change without new upload

[William Grant]

Looking at https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kbd-chooser/, the `"kbd-chooser" source package' portlet shows the package as being in main. This is false. It was demoted to universe during Edgy. It seems that the details of a source package in a distro are taken from the last upload, regardless of any {pro,de}motions.

[Celso Providelo (cprov)]

Hi Willian,

You are right, the portlet details are taken from the "Maintainers Defaults Values" and there is a clear note about that assumption.
Publication details, as we call component/section/urgency, may vary because we do post-publication overrides and that was the case for kbd-chooser. Current status is found by checking the Publication History in the main content of the mentioned page.
Let me know if you have a better suggestion to make this situation more obvious.

[William Grant (wgrant)]

I think it makes little sense to show the 'maintainer defaults', because they're controlled only by overrides anyway. It's completely useless to show the component when this sourcepackagerelease was first uploaded. If I want to know if I can upload a fix for a bug (sorry, I haven't memorised the component of every source package yet), being able to check the portlet on a bug page is a lot more efficient than having to head over to the overview.

[Celso Providelo (cprov)]

Hi Willian,

Let me check if I can summarize your points:

Both information set are important (currently published attributes and maintainer default attributes), necessary and are in the right place. However you miss a new Portlet with the 'currently published information across distroreleases', something like:

{{{
 Currently Published:

   Gutsy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
   Feisty (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
   Edgy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
   Dapper(1.23ubuntu18): main/debian-installer
   Breezy(1.18ubuntu8): main/debian-installer
  ...
}}}

How does it sound ?

[William Grant (wgrant)]

On Wed, June 6, 2007 11:51 am, Celso Providelo wrote:
> Hi Willian,
>
> Let me check if I can summarize your points:
>
> Both information set are important (currently published attributes and
> maintainer default attributes), necessary and are in the right place.
> However you miss a new Portlet with the 'currently published information
> across distroreleases', something like:

What are these 'maintainer defaults'? They aren't defined by the
maintainer; they're controlled solely by the overrides (ie. archive
admins).

> {{{
> Currently Published:
>
> Gutsy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
> Feisty (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
> Edgy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
> Dapper(1.23ubuntu18): main/debian-installer
> Breezy(1.18ubuntu8): main/debian-installer
> ...
> }}}
>
> How does it sound ?

That would be really good! Being able to easily see the versions etc.
across releases on bug pages would be very useful.

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[Celso Providelo (cprov)]

On 6/5/07, William Grant <email address hidden> wrote:
...
> What are these 'maintainer defaults'? They aren't defined by the
> maintainer; they're controlled solely by the overrides (ie. archive
> admins).
>

No, the uploader can control them, they just do not bother much with
this because we implement auto-overrides on the upload processor side.

This information is in the control file (materialized in the DSC) as:

{{{
Section: [component/]<section>
Priority: extra|optional|standard|important|required
}}}

> > {{{
> > Currently Published:
> >
> > Gutsy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
> > Feisty (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
> > Edgy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
> > Dapper(1.23ubuntu18): main/debian-installer
> > Breezy(1.18ubuntu8): main/debian-installer
> > ...
> > }}}
> >
> > How does it sound ?
>
> That would be really good! Being able to easily see the versions etc.
> across releases on bug pages would be very useful.
>

Ok let's do it then.

Thanks for the feedback.

--
Celso Providelo <email address hidden>

[William Grant (wgrant)]

On Wed, June 6, 2007 1:02 pm, Celso Providelo wrote:
> On 6/5/07, William Grant <email address hidden> wrote:
> ...
>> What are these 'maintainer defaults'? They aren't defined by the
>> maintainer; they're controlled solely by the overrides (ie. archive
>> admins).
>>
>
> No, the uploader can control them, they just do not bother much with
> this because we implement auto-overrides on the upload processor side.

Well, yes, but my point was that it's never done because most stuff is
synced from Debian, and they're overridden anyway. The portlet can't show
the information from debian/control, or we'd have a whole lot of stuff
listed as being in contrib and non-free, but none in restricted, universe
or multiverse.

>> > {{{
>> > Currently Published:
>> >
>> > Gutsy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
>> > Feisty (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
>> > Edgy (1.30ubuntu1): universe/debian-installer
>> > Dapper(1.23ubuntu18): main/debian-installer
>> > Breezy(1.18ubuntu8): main/debian-installer
>> > ...
>> > }}}
>> >
>> > How does it sound ?
>>
>> That would be really good! Being able to easily see the versions etc.
>> across releases on bug pages would be very useful.
>>
>
> Ok let's do it then.

Great :D

> Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks for listening to your users!

 - William

[Celso Providelo (cprov)]

Well the fact that debian-synced sources pages would start to present [1] 'non-free' and 'contrib' as their original component is a feature, we do want to preserve this information.

Thats the essence of Soyuz Derivation Model, we should preserve the ability to see what was changed in the SourcePackageRelease to fit in the current context (history).

I don't understand why you want us to hide it.

[1] I said 'would', because currently we do overrides that corrupt the *original* source metadata

[Celso Providelo (cprov)]

It should be trivial to add the suggested new Portlet.

[LaserJock (laserjock)]

The problem with preserving them is we then lose the Ubuntu information. If a package is taken straight from Debian we need to know what component it ends up in in Ubuntu. So while the Debian component is nice to have, we need to know the Ubuntu component more. It'd be interesting if you could find a way to show both " Ubuntu universe/<sec> from Debian main/<sec>" or something.

[Celso Providelo (cprov)]

not 1.1.7

[Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)]

Given that the page in the original report no longer has the portlet, but we now have

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kbd-chooser/+publishinghistory

does that fulfill your needs?

[William Grant (wgrant)]

The portlet is still present on SPR bug pages. That's a bug, albeit a very useful one.

[Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)]

Ok, so we need a new portlet on the SPR page.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)]

That should have read a new portlet on the SPR *bug* page.

[Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)]

RF 5485

There is a new portlet on the bugs DSP page that shows the info as per Celso's post. Check it out on edge when edge is updated.