Ahh, you're right!  I'll close this issue and make a new issue focused  
on that point.

--Paul

On Jun 23, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Nat Katin-Borland wrote:

> We established on Thursday that the user was pasting from Word 2007,
> while most OSI users still use Word 2003, which I'm guessing is why I
> could recreate the problem.  I thought we decided on Thursday that the
> best solution to this was to upgrade to the latest version of Tiny MCE
> that has better support for pasting from Word.  I am remembering  
> wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Nat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <email address hidden> [mailto:<email address hidden>] On Behalf  
> Of Paul Everitt
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:35 PM
> To: Nathaniel Katin-Borland
> Subject: [Bug 383666] Re: Paste from Word to blog posts emails  
> content butdrops from blogentry
>
> Hi Nat.  As noted below, we had a deadline for keeping this open.  We
> passed the deadline, but I'll leave this open for another week.  If
> Jason can provide the policy writeup discussed in the comments, then  
> we
> can assign it for work.
>
> ** Changed in: karl3
>       Status: New => Confirmed
>
> ** Changed in: karl3
>    Milestone: m19 => m21
>
> -- 
> Paste from Word to blog posts emails content but drops from blogentry
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/383666
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Porting KARL to a new architecture: Confirmed
>
> Bug description:
> This is another problem in the Latin America Program community, this  
> time with the blog.  For the past few days, a user has posted a blog  
> in KARL, an email alert goes out showing all the content of the  
> post, but when the user clicks back on the post, all the content is  
> gone.  The problem first occurred on June 2nd, but they have now  
> experienced the problem twice more on June 3 and 4.  For the June  
> 2nd post (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-stories-june-2-2009/ 
> ), the user went back and pasted in the content from the email  
> alert, so that post is no longer blank.  The June 3 (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-stories-june-3-2009/ 
> ) and June 4 (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-stories-june-4-2009/ 
> ) are still blank, even though email alerts went out showing the  
> full content.  The content is also excerpted on the main Blog screen  
> (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/),  
> even though when you click on the links, the posts are empty.
>
> The user authors the posts first in MS Word (using Web Normal layout)
> and then pastes the content into KARL. I have been unable to recreate
> the problem by authoring a post in MS Word using the web layout, but  
> the
> user keeps having the same issue.
>
> I'll paste the user's original description of the problem below,  
> showing the email alert that went out for the June 2 post.
> -----------------------------------------------
>> From the user:
>
> From: David Holiday
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:01 PM
> To: Nathaniel Katin-Borland
> Subject: FW: [Latin America Program] Top Stories, June 2, 2009
>
>
> https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-
> stories-june-2-2009/
>
>
> Note a couple of things here:  first, if you go to the entry, there's
> nothing there (although it must be somewhere, because it was sent
> earlier today).
>
>
> Also, see the garbage after top stories.
>
>
> dh
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Joshua Frens-String | KARL [mailto:<email address hidden> 
> ]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:47 AM
> To: David Holiday
> Subject: [Latin America Program] Top Stories, June 2, 2009
>
>
> --- Reply ABOVE THIS LINE to post a comment ---
>
> A new blog entry has been posted by Joshua Frens-String in the Latin
> America Program community.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Top Stories, June 2, 2009
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> The Washington Post and LA Times offer reporting and opinions on the
> inauguration of new Salvadoran President Mauricio Funes Monday.
> Attending the ceremonies in San Salvador was U.S. Sec. of State  
> Hillary
> Clinton, who the WaPo notes was dressed in bright red, the colors of  
> the
> left wing FMLN guerillas the U.S. fought against just two decades ago.
> For her part, Ms. Clinton said she expects "a positive relationship"
> with Mr. Funes, considered by most to be a moderate.  Rep. Eliot L.
> Engel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on
> the Western Hemisphere, however, seemed to indicate U.S. support for  
> the
> Funes presidency was simply a means of keeping Funes in the political
> center.  "The secretary wants to engage Funes, because we don't want  
> him
> moving all the way to the left," said Engel, who also attended the
> inauguration.  Funes showed his admiration for President Barack Obama,
> along with President Lula da Silva during his inauguration speech,
> saying both men were "proof that progressive leaders, instead of  
> being a
> threat, represent a new and secure road for their countries."   
> According
> to Cynthia Aronson of the Woodrow Wilson Center, "The FMLN has been  
> part
> of the architecture of representative democracy in El Salvador.  El
> Salvador's resemblance to other countries in Latin America governed by
> the populist left are quite minimal."  To be sure, President Funes  
> faces
> a difficult road ahead.  As the LAT notes, an economic crisis and
> runaway street crime that has resulted in one of the world's highest
> homicide rates, along with a right-wing opposition that controls
> Congress, will be among his challenges.  But as an LAT editorial adds,
> "his cabinet has more economic pragmatists than ex-guerrillas, and he
> promised economic austerity along with a fight against corruption,  
> drug
> trafficking and organized crime -- all issues of interest to the  
> United
> States."
>
> The Miami Herald adds to the analysis of the FMLN's rise to power in  
> El
> Salvador from a regional perspective, saying left and right in Central
> America are increasingly difficult to differentiate from one another.
> "'It is tempting to say that Central America has moved to the left,  
> but
> that is a mostly superficial view of what is happening," says Michael
> Shifter of the Inter-American Dialogue.  The region's two newest
> presidents in El Salvador and Panama are said to occupy opposite  
> ends of
> the political spectrum, says the MH, but, according to Shifter, they
> have "more similarities than differences" as they both ran as  
> outsiders
> challenging the status quo. "It would not be surprising to find  
> that, as
> presidents, Funes and Martinelli govern in similar ways," Shifter  
> adds.
> U.S. intellectual and frequent commentator on Central America, Noam
> Chomsky, agrees that the terms "right" and "left" have lost much of
> their practical meaning in the sub-region, saying they have become
> "hopelessly corrupted by propaganda." And even Colombia's right-of-
> center President, Alvaro Uribe, argued recently that right and left
> distinctions are mostly symbolic.  "Throughout the continent, we are  
> all
> committed to the rule of democracy, so the old divisions become
> obsolete, polarizing and of little practical sense," Uribe said  
> during a
> recent speech to business leaders in Panama City.
>
>> From the New York Times, the paper reports that remittances sent back
> to Mexico from the U.S. plunged by almost one-fifth compared to the  
> same
> period one year ago.  The drop is the largest decline since the
> authorities began keeping track of such transfers. Migrants sent $1.8
> billion in April, 18.7% less than in April 2008.  Philip Martin, a
> migration expert at the University of California, Davis, said it's too
> early to determine if the drop will continue through May. "It's  
> going to
> be down in 2009," says Martin, "but the question is how much."  Much  
> of
> drop is due to rising unemployment in the construction sector, and,
> according to Prof. Martin, some illegal immigrants might have paid  
> taxes
> in April in the hope of an eventual amnesty.
>
> And, also on Mexico, the Wall Street Journal reports this morning  
> that a
> Mexican trade association representing more than 4,500 trucking
> companies is seeking $6 billion in damages from the U.S. government  
> for
> not allowing Mexican trucks to bring cargo on to U.S. roadways.  The
> group, Canacar, sought arbitration under the North American Free Trade
> Agreement over one month ago but did not publicize the action until  
> this
> week.  The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, Ron Kirk, says the
> dispute between the two countries, arising out a spending bill  
> provision
> that ended a cross-border pilot trucking program, is being addressed.
> In the U.S. many industries are now facing import duties of 10% to 20%
> of a product's value and are also actively urging the administration  
> to
> resolve the international dispute.  For Canacar's part, the trade  
> group
> says members have lost money and missed business opportunities.  "We
> want reciprocity," said Pedro Ojeda, a lawyer for Canacar.  "The U.S.
> has notoriously not kept its commitments."
>
> In other news, the AP writes in the NYT about another Mexico-related
> story, saying at least 25 police officers were arrested in northern
> Mexico on Monday, accused of having ties to drug traffickers.  The
> arrests come on top of last week's raids in which federal officials
> arrested 10 mayors and 20 other officials in Michoacán on suspicion of
> protecting the La Familia cartel.  On Sunday, in Ciudad Juarez, gunmen
> shot and killed five people at a drug and alcohol rehabilitation  
> center.
> The killings may be related to threats that administrators had  
> received
> demanding that the clinic be shut down, say authorities.  At least 30
> individuals were murdered over the weekend in drug-related killings,
> writes the AP.
>
> Also, the NYT has a briefing on a new Human Rights Watch report which
> says violence against transgender persons in Honduras is almost never
> investigated.  HRW called on the police to seriously investigate such
> crimes and punish those who committed them, including, in some cases,
> police officers.
>
> In the MH, a piece from Peru says that the country is maintaining
> economic growth and weathering the economic downturn better than its
> fellow Latin American countries.  Speaking in Miami, the Peruvian
> ambassador to the U.S. said Peru is expecting economic growth of 4
> percent in 2009.  Ambassdor Luis Valdivieso, himself an economist,  
> said
> his country has strong international reserves, is sharply reducing
> international debt, exercising control over government spending and
> driving down inflation, all of which have helped put the economy in a
> strong position.
>
> And the LAT writes that an increasing number of U.S. young people, and
> the not-so-young, are signing up for the Peace Corps.  Peace Corps
> reports a 16% increase in completed applications submitted in 2008,  
> with
> 7% of them are coming from people 50 or older, up from the typical 4%.
>
> Finally, two opinions.  Writing in the MH yesterday, Sec. of State
> Clinton said the inauguration of Mauricio Funes in El Salvador was "a
> testament to the strength and durability of democracy" in the  
> Americas.
> However, she warns that this is a "critical moment" for the region to
> maintain such advances in the face of economic recession.  Citing
> economic, educational, and energy partnerships, among others, Clinton
> argues that "differences of opinion and perspective are no excuse for
> failing to strengthen our partnerships in areas of common concern so
> that we can build a future of shared prosperity and progress."   
> Also, in
> his Tuesday column, Andres Oppenheimer addresses a rise in commodity
> prices over the last month, arguing that export-dependent economies  
> like
> Ecuador and Venezuela will "receive respite" but will in the long-run
> "not have access to foreign loans to reactivate their economies once  
> the
> world economy starts recovering."
>
> -- 
> Paste from Word to blog posts emails content but drops from blogentry
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/383666
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to  
> KARL3.
>
> Status in Porting KARL to a new architecture: Confirmed
>
> Bug description:
> This is another problem in the Latin America Program community, this  
> time with the blog.  For the past few days, a user has posted a blog  
> in KARL, an email alert goes out showing all the content of the  
> post, but when the user clicks back on the post, all the content is  
> gone.  The problem first occurred on June 2nd, but they have now  
> experienced the problem twice more on June 3 and 4.  For the June  
> 2nd post (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-stories-june-2-2009/ 
> ), the user went back and pasted in the content from the email  
> alert, so that post is no longer blank.  The June 3 (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-stories-june-3-2009/ 
> ) and June 4 (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-stories-june-4-2009/ 
> ) are still blank, even though email alerts went out showing the  
> full content.  The content is also excerpted on the main Blog screen  
> (https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/),  
> even though when you click on the links, the posts are empty.
>
> The user authors the posts first in MS Word (using Web Normal  
> layout) and then pastes the content into KARL. I have been unable to  
> recreate the problem by authoring a post in MS Word using the web  
> layout, but the user keeps having the same issue.
>
> I'll paste the user's original description of the problem below,  
> showing the email alert that went out for the June 2 post.
> -----------------------------------------------
>> From the user:
>
> From: David Holiday
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:01 PM
> To: Nathaniel Katin-Borland
> Subject: FW: [Latin America Program] Top Stories, June 2, 2009
>
>
>
> https://karl.soros.org/communities/latin-america-program-1/blog/top-stories-june-2-2009/
>
>
>
> Note a couple of things here:  first, if you go to the entry,  
> there’s nothing there (although it must be somewhere, because it was  
> sent earlier today).
>
>
>
> Also, see the garbage after top stories.
>
>
>
> dh
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Joshua Frens-String | KARL [mailto:<email address hidden> 
> ]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:47 AM
> To: David Holiday
> Subject: [Latin America Program] Top Stories, June 2, 2009
>
>
>
> --- Reply ABOVE THIS LINE to post a comment ---
>
> A new blog entry has been posted by Joshua Frens-String in the Latin  
> America Program community.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Top Stories, June 2, 2009
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>
> The Washington Post and LA Times offer reporting and opinions on the  
> inauguration of new Salvadoran President Mauricio Funes Monday.   
> Attending the ceremonies in San Salvador was U.S. Sec. of State  
> Hillary Clinton, who the WaPo notes was dressed in bright red, the  
> colors of the left wing FMLN guerillas the U.S. fought against just  
> two decades ago.  For her part, Ms. Clinton said she expects “a  
> positive relationship” with Mr. Funes, considered by most to be a  
> moderate.  Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House  
> Foreign Affairs subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, however,  
> seemed to indicate U.S. support for the Funes presidency was simply  
> a means of keeping Funes in the political center.  “The secretary  
> wants to engage Funes, because we don't want him moving all the way  
> to the left,” said Engel, who also attended the inauguration.  Funes  
> showed his admiration for President Barack Obama, along with  
> President Lula da Silva during his inauguration speech, saying both  
> men were “proof that progressive leaders, instead of being a threat,  
> represent a new and secure road for their countries.”  According to  
> Cynthia Aronson of the Woodrow Wilson Center, “The FMLN has been  
> part of the architecture of representative democracy in El  
> Salvador.  El Salvador's resemblance to other countries in Latin  
> America governed by the populist left are quite minimal.”  To be  
> sure, President Funes faces a difficult road ahead.  As the LAT  
> notes, an economic crisis and runaway street crime that has resulted  
> in one of the world's highest homicide rates, along with a right- 
> wing opposition that controls Congress, will be among his  
> challenges.  But as an LAT editorial adds, “his cabinet has more  
> economic pragmatists than ex-guerrillas, and he promised economic  
> austerity along with a fight against corruption, drug trafficking  
> and organized crime -- all issues of interest to the United States.”
>
> The Miami Herald adds to the analysis of the FMLN’s rise to power in  
> El Salvador from a regional perspective, saying left and right in  
> Central America are increasingly difficult to differentiate from one  
> another.  “'It is tempting to say that Central America has moved to  
> the left, but that is a mostly superficial view of what is  
> happening,” says Michael Shifter of the Inter-American Dialogue.   
> The region's two newest presidents in El Salvador and Panama are  
> said to occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum, says the MH,  
> but, according to Shifter, they have “more similarities than  
> differences” as they both ran as outsiders challenging the status  
> quo. “It would not be surprising to find that, as presidents, Funes  
> and Martinelli govern in similar ways,” Shifter adds.  U.S.  
> intellectual and frequent commentator on Central America, Noam  
> Chomsky, agrees that the terms “right” and “left” have lost much of  
> their practical meaning in the sub-region, saying they have become  
> “hopelessly corrupted by propaganda.” And even Colombia’s right-of- 
> center President, Alvaro Uribe, argued recently that right and left  
> distinctions are mostly symbolic.  “Throughout the continent, we are  
> all committed to the rule of democracy, so the old divisions become  
> obsolete, polarizing and of little practical sense,” Uribe said  
> during a recent speech to business leaders in Panama City.
>
>> From the New York Times, the paper reports that remittances sent  
>> back to Mexico from the U.S. plunged by almost one-fifth compared  
>> to the same period one year ago.  The drop is the largest decline  
>> since the authorities began keeping track of such transfers.  
>> Migrants sent $1.8 billion in April, 18.7% less than in April  
>> 2008.  Philip Martin, a migration expert at the University of  
>> California, Davis, said it’s too early to determine if the drop  
>> will continue through May. “It’s going to be down in 2009,” says  
>> Martin, “but the question is how much.”  Much of drop is due to  
>> rising unemployment in the construction sector, and, according to  
>> Prof. Martin, some illegal immigrants might have paid taxes in  
>> April in the hope of an eventual amnesty.
>
> And, also on Mexico, the Wall Street Journal reports this morning  
> that a Mexican trade association representing more than 4,500  
> trucking companies is seeking $6 billion in damages from the U.S.  
> government for not allowing Mexican trucks to bring cargo on to U.S.  
> roadways.  The group, Canacar, sought arbitration under the North  
> American Free Trade Agreement over one month ago but did not  
> publicize the action until this week.  The Office of the U.S. Trade  
> Representative, Ron Kirk, says the dispute between the two  
> countries, arising out a spending bill provision that ended a cross- 
> border pilot trucking program, is being addressed.  In the U.S. many  
> industries are now facing import duties of 10% to 20% of a product's  
> value and are also actively urging the administration to resolve the  
> international dispute.  For Canacar’s part, the trade group says  
> members have lost money and missed business opportunities.  “We want  
> reciprocity,” said Pedro Ojeda, a lawyer for Canacar.  “The U.S. has  
> notoriously not kept its commitments.”
>
> In other news, the AP writes in the NYT about another Mexico-related  
> story, saying at least 25 police officers were arrested in northern  
> Mexico on Monday, accused of having ties to drug traffickers.  The  
> arrests come on top of last week’s raids in which federal officials  
> arrested 10 mayors and 20 other officials in Michoacán on suspicion  
> of protecting the La Familia cartel.  On Sunday, in Ciudad Juarez,  
> gunmen shot and killed five people at a drug and alcohol  
> rehabilitation center.  The killings may be related to threats that  
> administrators had received demanding that the clinic be shut down,  
> say authorities.  At least 30 individuals were murdered over the  
> weekend in drug-related killings, writes the AP.
>
> Also, the NYT has a briefing on a new Human Rights Watch report  
> which says violence against transgender persons in Honduras is  
> almost never investigated.  HRW called on the police to seriously  
> investigate such crimes and punish those who committed them,  
> including, in some cases, police officers.
>
> In the MH, a piece from Peru says that the country is maintaining  
> economic growth and weathering the economic downturn better than its  
> fellow Latin American countries.  Speaking in Miami, the Peruvian  
> ambassador to the U.S. said Peru is expecting economic growth of 4  
> percent in 2009.  Ambassdor Luis Valdivieso, himself an economist,  
> said his country has strong international reserves, is sharply  
> reducing international debt, exercising control over government  
> spending and driving down inflation, all of which have helped put  
> the economy in a strong position.
>
> And the LAT writes that an increasing number of U.S. young people,  
> and the not-so-young, are signing up for the Peace Corps.  Peace  
> Corps reports a 16% increase in completed applications submitted in  
> 2008, with 7% of them are coming from people 50 or older, up from  
> the typical 4%.
>
> Finally, two opinions.  Writing in the MH yesterday, Sec. of State  
> Clinton said the inauguration of Mauricio Funes in El Salvador was  
> “a testament to the strength and durability of democracy” in the  
> Americas.  However, she warns that this is a “critical moment” for  
> the region to maintain such advances in the face of economic  
> recession.  Citing economic, educational, and energy partnerships,  
> among others, Clinton argues that “differences of opinion and  
> perspective are no excuse for failing to strengthen our partnerships  
> in areas of common concern so that we can build a future of shared  
> prosperity and progress.”  Also, in his Tuesday column, Andres  
> Oppenheimer addresses a rise in commodity prices over the last  
> month, arguing that export-dependent economies like Ecuador and  
> Venezuela will “receive respite” but will in the long-run “not have  
> access to foreign loans to reactivate their economies once the world  
> economy starts recovering.”