This is a verry good example of Bug1 which is perception, not reality. So, I am including this "perception patch" that should be tactfully applied whenever you find this bug in a running system rhinoFinn wrote: > I'm not so sure whether this bug is due or only due to Microsoft, bcause > I (once again) tried to start use Linux ... tried to install latest > OpenSUSE, Mandriva on my laptop ... installation failed ... then tried > Ubuntu (actually latest beta 8.04) and wow, it succeedet to install. > Only problem was with wlan - turn out that Ubuntu can't connect if wlan- > server hides its name (SSID). When I managed wlan-station and set that > it broadcasts its SSID-name, managed Ubuntu to establish wlan- > connection. Computers are hard. Installing stuff is hard. Wireless is junk. This is why we get the big bucks. > I have installed over a year ago Windows Vista Ultimate on this same > laptop and it installed with no problem and has worked like a charm ... Right now I am having to reinstall Windows XP to a customer system. It has a nVidia graphics card, and a gigabyte GA-8I945PM-RH motherboard. This is a OEM motherboard, and there is NO WAY TO FIND THE DRIVERS FOR IT! How did I do it? I installed Ubuntu (which worked perfect out of the box) looked at the drivers and found the Windows versions. Driver problems are not the fault of the OS. In some cases Windows will win, and in some cases Ubuntu will win. In all cases it is the hardware manufactures responsibility to provide drivers. Sometimes they fail... And not just for Linux. > I have tried some times earlier years to use linux too, but after a > while with problems and frustration of googlind and searchin guides and > reading too much just unnecessary talkietalkie there, returned back to > windows that works and guides are good and fully informative - they just > tell all the things that one need to know to do things. There are good and bad guids on both sides. You just happen to know where the good guides are for Windows. If you had been in Linux a while you would know where to look there as well. > And installation > of additional hardware is so simple in windows with graphical driver- > installation programs (much easier compared so often needed > kernelcompaling, editing and timewaste of googling information among > talkietalkie linux-boards). In 25 years of computer work from DOS to several flavors of Unix to Linux, I nave NEVER compiled a kernal. I still don't know where this myth comes from, but you don't need to compile kernals to use Linux. It just ain't so. And as to the "editing and timewaste of googling information among talkietalkie linux-boards" Have you ever seen technet or edited the registry? > So now I have 3G mobiledatamodem Option iCON 225 and have installed and use it easily in Windows Vista. > Now I have found some information how to install it on Ubuntu too. But guides and information lack so much or are not suitable for Ubuntu 8.04 so that I haven't managed yet to installa it and get it working ... so I think there's some kinga chronical bad disease in Linux open source world: it is not capable of handling those numerous different distros of Linux and can't make adequate guidance how to do things, installa new hardware ... now it seems that there is driver (hso) and utility program (rezero) but NOT ANY decent guide how to installa them on Ubuntu 8.04 I can't make any sense of this at all... It could be part of the problem. If you can not clearly articulate your problem, no one can ever solve it. > So maybe computer hardware sellers are now WISE and AWARE this > information not so open source -problem in Linux-world and that's why > they keep rid of it :D Every single one of my vendors also sells systems with Linux. All of them... I am also regularly selling Linux systems to users. Generally the only place I see the problem you describe is from moderately experienced people who think that they know COMPUTERS, when actually the know WINDOWS. As a beginner in Linux you expect to have a similar lever of knowledge as you do in Windows. This is the problem. > So if somebody can just complain this and not to tell how > 3Gmobiledatamodem Option iCON 225 CAN BE INSTALLED ON Ubuntu 8.04, > please don't bother to comment this discovery of chronical Linux disease There is also some hardware that does not work in Vista. If you buy it and don't check first, you will be disappointed. That is the case here. Personally, I never try to make bad hardware work. I simply only buy supported hardware. This includes systems that are planned to be used in Windows. That way, whatever I pull off the shelf just works, regardless of the system I put it in. This removes vast amounts of stress from my life. > Why isn't there good website/wiki or something else that could inform > how to install additional hardware on linux in the variety of distros > and their versions? so guides withoud that mas of talkietalkie (or it in > separate section at least) and with full guides, telling all and nothing > but the truth how to installa on linux that hardware or something else. > so short good guide - would that be too much to ask for those who waste > time barging windows while keeping own nest in such a mess :D There are thousands of them. However, in most cases there is no need as most stuff just works on boot. For example, my WiFi card just comes up if I plug it in any Ubuntu system post Feisty. Windows can't even say that.