Wow ! Mr. O Wyss is one ticked-off user. Starting from the bottom. Mac O/SX which is "sloppy" at best is a Unix/Linux derivative and I've only used it when helping Mac owners, is not impressive. Is Ubuntu stalled ?? No . While the number of computer users grows wildly worldwide, especially here in Mexico , Ubuntu and other distros will not and can not keep pace. Microsoft and Macapple have marketing budgets derived from profits. Note, Ubuntu grows no monetary profit. If Ubuntu was sold for profit then it would change along with the support and the forums, like this one. Microsoft spawns parasites like Norton, McAfee and hosts of others, that help perpetuate Microsofts products. Ask any 'tech', Microsofts' poorly written software puts money in their pockets, "been there, done that". Spy-bots, trojans, viruses OH! the glory of Microsoft. Is Ubuntu growing ? Yes Mr Wyss, we are. Changing ? slowly. It will always be this way. IF Canonical could infuse 2-3 Billion USD or better Euros, into a marketing program, the change would be electrifying . How many Ubuntu users worldwide ? Using which version ? I've put Ubuntu not those below, on many systems. Ubuntu Editions [image: Kubuntu] [image: Edubuntu] [image: Xubuntu] [image: Gobuntu] see also : DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. Ubuntu has grown and will continue to grow, perhaps not at a pace that will satisfy many. And think "Linux" generally, many fellow users employ several distros. Join in regards, Allen (in Mazatlan Mexico, part of the Global Community) ********** On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 1:32 AM, wyo