On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 16:14, Dave Stroud <email address hidden> wrote:
> Every one has diferent taste so if you dont like one try another, they are free and support is free.

Serve different tastes is one of the biggest advantages of Linux.
And BTW you can have paid support too.


> On the other hand most of the problems in linux is caused because
> vendors dont cooperate with their drivers, and linux and open source has to
> come up with a way to work around it.They are doing a good job of it in
> most cases.

I stick with vendors where I know that they use compatible hardware
when building their laptops.


> I dont like unity either so I stick with gnome.

I think, Unity got much better in the last months regarding stability
and with a little changing of my habits I like it besides one big
problem left: I have many programs I need very often and I have
usually many programs open. The launcher on the left (even with
smallest possible icons) gets annoying when you then often need to
scroll down. Sub-Launchers (or submenus in the launcher - however you
call it) would help me but ASFAIK currently not supported. Hope they
will add something like that.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 15:27, vekotin <email address hidden> wrote:
> I think that by dividing into masses of distros and not working more
> together, caused that very own problem of linux.

Too many working on the same thing can even decrease productivity,
outcome and speed.
Not sure if it would help if all would work just on one single UI
style. I either think that the diversity increases creativity of all.


> linux- and open source -communities shoult take a look at themselves
> with a mirror, and stop blaming others of problems of their very own.
> That would be the only solution and way to better success, to make
> better linux-products.

Again, diversity I don't see as a problem. Vendors not providing
drivers for Linux or ignorant software vendors still focusing on
Windows only is reason to blame. I know people who would prefer Linux
if the specific stuff they need would be available on Linux too. Don't
blame the Linux community! Blame the software vendors who still live
in 15 years ago, where 99,9 % on the client was Windows. Although
everybody still speaks of the 1-5 % - I don't believe this any more as
I encounter more and more people using Linux.


> I have seen during last years, how same problems exists again and again
> with ubuntu releases. It is shameles to see them exist that way. I have
> laptop that is among the most sold laptops in the world and every ubuntu
> release has problems with it

No matter how many times it is sold - the tipping point is: What
components are built in there? Probably those are not good for Linux.


> mostly same problems again and again. Then
> those problems are solved within some months after release, but still,
> that Windows-world does that much much better.

On my laptop - using since Jaunty, I never had important issues with Ubuntu.
One thing you are right: There are some bugs that - although already
fixed - sometimes come back and then get fixed again.


> And moreover, some things work in Fedora and openSUSE - and not in
> ubuntu, so how on earth open source can't make that open source thing
> work in reality?

My experience: More things work in Ubuntu and don't work in Fedora
(openSUSE I do not use).


> So, market share of Windows isn't the problems. Problems is the lack of
> real as good alternatives, made by really good co-work.

My experience: Where the good alternatives are missing is for that
software that is made by external vendors not well integrated in the
rest of the Linux and open source world.


> And ubuntu's Unity has been a huge mess - much bigger mess than Vista
> ever did.

I have a different view on that. 80 % of the standard-users would be
perfectly fine with it.


> I have always wondered, how free hobby work can aim to be professional.
> Within these ubuntu years I have seen, that hobby work really can't be
> so professional.

Still widespread myth. Linux world is not just students coding in
their spare time - indeed most of the work is done by paid employees.
- Have a look at recent statistics - like
http://apcmag.com/linux-now-75-corporate.htm

And apart from that I have a lot of experience with commercial
software on Windows too and I can tell you: The quality is very poor
there! By tendency more features than in open source but they are very
buggy. Tendency for the Ubuntu apps is: Less features but they simply
work (of course there are bugs there also).

Best regards, Martin.
-- 
Martin Wildam

http://martin.wildam.org/