Not only visiting a shop you still mostly see Windows on the PCs, it took me a lot of discussion and cost me about 200 bucks more than expected to get a new PC from Dell (today) with Ubuntu preinstalled. First time, Dell made troubles selling me a Windows-less PC, so for my experience here in Austria things seem even to get worse. But the positive point: Comparing to the words of Gandhi we are in the phase where they fight you. Best regards. -- Martin Wildam Am 06.06.2013 20:51 schrieb "northrup"