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Tom (tom6) wrote on 2013-05-31: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

#1864

Hi :)
This is true but all eyes are on the portable devices. It will be a few years before people realise that they really do need a proper desktop.

The problem is that desktops are seen as slow monstrosities. Sure they are fast when you first get them but they soon suffer slowdowns and multiple problems. People see portable devices being faster and staying fast. They just don't make the connection that it's the OS not the machine.

Windows successfully killed off the 1st wave of smaller, lighter machines (netbooks) by insisting on the Windows versions being sold in shops and blocking the ones with OSes made for the form factor. Everyone i know of that still has the original OSes or replaced them or the Windows with Ubuntu still loves their machines all these years later. Everyone that stuck with Windows on them thinks they are retarded, even though the specs are probably higher than the tablets they love.

So the question is will people remember only how slow desktops quickly became or will they wonder if the 'new' OSes such as Android or Ubuntu can work on the desktops too.

Regards from
Tom :)

>________________________________
> From: Martin Wildam <email address hidden>
>To: <email address hidden>
>Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013, 23:00
>Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
>
>
>Sorry Mark, but as many above I also cannot consider this bug being
>fixed. Only last week I wanted to buy a new Canonical certified
>hardware from Dell - they definitely do not want to sell a non-Windows
>PC to me. Best offer I could get (after insisting) is at about 1 third
>more expensive. I never had such problems before with Dell and of
>course this is not the first time I want to buy a non-Windows PC. -
>Just to give an example. Similar issue at other places.
>
>On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mark Shuttleworth
><email address hidden> wrote:
>> Personal computing today is a broader proposition than it was in 2004:
>> phones, tablets, wearables and other devices are all part of the mix for
>> our digital lives. From a competitive perspective, that broader market
>> has healthy competition, with IOS and Android representing a meaningful
>> share
>
>Yes, but these new devices mostly cannot be considered to be a
>replacement for a desktop PC or laptop. Most people owning a tablet
>also own a PC. For productive work in most cases a laptop or PC is
>still the best choice. Tablets and Smartphones are still only a
>secondary device used for emailing and news-reading (or playing) in
>the very most cases.
>
>
>> It's worth noting that today, if you're into cloud computing, the
>> Microsoft IAAS team are both technically excellent and very focused on
>> having ALL OS's including Linux guests like Ubuntu run extremely well on
>> Azure, making them a pleasure to work with.
>
>At the server side Linux already won a long time ago, but not at
>client side and I always thought that Bug #1 focuses on the client.
>
>Best regards, Martin.
>
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>You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
>report.
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>
>Title:
> Microsoft has a majority market share
>
>Status in Club Distro:
> Confirmed
>Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
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>Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
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>Status in The Linux Kernel:
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>Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
> In Progress
>Status in The Linux OS Project:
> In Progress
>Status in Neobot:
> New
>Status in Novabot:
> New
>Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
> In Progress
>Status in Tabuntu:
> Invalid
>Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
> Invalid
>Status in Tv-Player:
> Invalid
>Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
> In Progress
>Status in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
>Status in Arch Linux:
> Confirmed
>Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
> Invalid
>Status in “linux” package in Debian:
> In Progress
>Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
> Confirmed
>Status in openSUSE:
> In Progress
>Status in Tilix Linux:
> New
>
>Bug description:
> See Mark's closure comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834
> ------
>
> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC
> marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant
> to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is
> driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to
> all."
>
> "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world."
>      * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
>
> Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and
> concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into
> the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles
> innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious
> anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic
> practices.
>
> This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
> Steps to repeat:
>
>     1. Visit a local PC store.
>     2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.
>
> What happens:
>
> Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-
> installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating
> system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be
> proprietary.
>
> What should happen:
>
> A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.
>
>      * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
>      * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
>      * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
>
>To manage notifications about this bug go to:
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions
>
>

Hi :)
This is true but all eyes are on the portable devices.  It will be a few years before people realise that they really do need a proper desktop.

The problem is that desktops are seen as slow monstrosities.  Sure they are fast when you first get them but they soon suffer slowdowns and multiple problems.  People see portable devices being faster and staying fast.  They just don't make the connection that it's the OS not the machine.

Windows successfully killed off the 1st wave of smaller, lighter machines (netbooks) by insisting on the Windows versions being sold in shops and blocking the ones with OSes made for the form factor.  Everyone i know of that still has the original OSes or replaced them or the Windows with Ubuntu still loves their machines all these years later.  Everyone that stuck with Windows on them thinks they are retarded, even though the specs are probably higher than the tablets they love.

So the question is will people remember only how slow desktops quickly became or will they wonder if the 'new' OSes such as Android or Ubuntu can work on the desktops too.

Regards from 
Tom :)

>________________________________
> From: Martin Wildam <1@bugs.launchpad.net>
>To: TomDavies04@Yahoo.Co.Uk 
>Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013, 23:00
>Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
> 
>
>Sorry Mark, but as many above I also cannot consider this bug being
>fixed. Only last week I wanted to buy a new Canonical certified
>hardware from Dell - they definitely do not want to sell a non-Windows
>PC to me. Best offer I could get (after insisting) is at about 1 third
>more expensive. I never had such problems before with Dell and of
>course this is not the first time I want to buy a non-Windows PC. -
>Just to give an example. Similar issue at other places.
>
>On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mark Shuttleworth
><1@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
>> Personal computing today is a broader proposition than it was in 2004:
>> phones, tablets, wearables and other devices are all part of the mix for
>> our digital lives. From a competitive perspective, that broader market
>> has healthy competition, with IOS and Android representing a meaningful
>> share
>
>Yes, but these new devices mostly cannot be considered to be a
>replacement for a desktop PC or laptop. Most people owning a tablet
>also own a PC. For productive work in most cases a laptop or PC is
>still the best choice. Tablets and Smartphones are still only a
>secondary device used for emailing and news-reading (or playing) in
>the very most cases.
>
>
>> It's worth noting that today, if you're into cloud computing, the
>> Microsoft IAAS team are both technically excellent and very focused on
>> having ALL OS's including Linux guests like Ubuntu run extremely well on
>> Azure, making them a pleasure to work with.
>
>At the server side Linux already won a long time ago, but not at
>client side and I always thought that Bug #1 focuses on the client.
>
>Best regards, Martin.
>
>-- 
>You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
>report.
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
>
>Title:
>  Microsoft has a majority market share
>
>Status in Club Distro:
>  Confirmed
>Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
>  Confirmed
>Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
>  New
>Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
>  Invalid
>Status in dylan.NET:
>  Invalid
>Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
>  Invalid
>Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
>  Invalid
>Status in JAK LINUX:
>  Invalid
>Status in LibreOffice:
>  In Progress
>Status in The Linux Kernel:
>  New
>Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
>  In Progress
>Status in The Linux OS Project:
>  In Progress
>Status in Neobot:
>  New
>Status in Novabot:
>  New
>Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
>  In Progress
>Status in Tabuntu:
>  Invalid
>Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
>  Invalid
>Status in Tv-Player:
>  Invalid
>Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
>  In Progress
>Status in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
>Status in Arch Linux:
>  Confirmed
>Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
>  Invalid
>Status in “linux” package in Debian:
>  In Progress
>Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
>  Confirmed
>Status in openSUSE:
>  In Progress
>Status in Tilix Linux:
>  New
>
>Bug description:
>  See Mark's closure comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834
>  ------
>
>  Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC
>  marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant
>  to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is
>  driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to
>  all."
>
>  "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world."
>       * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
>
>  Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and
>  concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into
>  the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles
>  innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious
>  anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic
>  practices.
>
>  This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>
>  Steps to repeat:
>
>      1. Visit a local PC store.
>      2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.
>
>  What happens:
>
>  Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-
>  installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating
>  system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be
>  proprietary.
>
>  What should happen:
>
>  A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.
>
>       * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
>       * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
>       * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
>
>To manage notifications about this bug go to:
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions
>
>