getting kile package either adds too much or too little

[Neil Leslie]

Hi,
I use Ubunutu (not Kubuntu) and TeX

Hi,
I use Ubunutu (not Kubuntu) and TeX. I have a complete TeX insatallation from TeXLive CD. I'd like to use kile, but:

1) Installing kile adds too much: I want to install kile, and nothing but kile, but the package manager insists I install its teTeX. I don't need this teTeX, although many people might. In fact adding teTeX just adds extra work for me to remove it. Can you provide a version of kile which only adds kile, and nothing else?

2) Installing kile adds too little: kile depends on other programs to do a lot of its work: it needs an engine to compile tex to dvi, ps pdf or whatever, a viewer to display dvi, ps pdf or whatever, and so on. The installed version of kile is configured to use kdvi to view dvi files, and acroread to view pdf files, and probably kghostview to view ps files. AFAIK the standard Ubuntu installation includes xdvi *not* kdvi, xpdf *not* acroread. If the package manager is going to insist on installing tetex why not also insist on installing kdvi and acroread too?

Its up to you guys to work out what the best poilcy here is, but the current kile package seems to get it wrong, one way or the other.

Cheers,
Neil

[Achim Bohnet (allee)]

About:

'1) Installing kile adds too much'

I think this point as invalid. Everyone
can install it's own version of a soft-
ware. Following your argumentation mean
that any 'dependency' is optional. This
makes no sense.

for special cases like yours one can
a) download the source and remove the
tetex-bin depencency and rebuild
b) installing equivs pkg and create
a dummy tetex-bin to satiesfy dependencies

'2) Installing kile adds too little'

kile recommends kdvi and kghostview.
Using aptitude, the pkgs would have been
installed by default. Using apt it
would told you that it's recommended
to install them.

Because there are alternatives available
(xdvi, gv. etc.) and there availibilty
is not essential, IMHO the recommends is okay.
Depends would be too strong.

I suggest to close this report as invalid.

Achim

[LaserJock (laserjock)]

I think Achim is right. The dependencies are proper in the sense that TeX has to be there for kile to work and package managers are not set up to look for local installations of dependecies. On the other hand there are many dvi, ps, and pdf viewers available so it is better to recommend but not depend on particular ones.

[Rodolfo Azevedo (rodolfo-ic)]

Am I missing something? I have installed Kile and my machine did not have kdvi nor kghostscript and:
- Neither Synaptic recommended me to install them
- Nor Kile complains about the packages missing but only that their library were missing. I have to figure out what packages were missing myself

I have installed both and everything seems to be ok now.

[Katsudon (katsudon)]

Correct me if I am wrong, but a possible solution would be to add a package "kile-only" to the repository which installs just kile and its very direct dependencies.

[Rodolfo Azevedo (rodolfo-ic)]

Dear Katsudon,

  Yes, this seems to be a good solution. You can use the full Kile
package or Kile-only. For me, it would be very nice to have this
option.

    Regards,

      Rodolfo

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Katsudon <email address hidden> wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong, but a possible solution would be to add a
> package "kile-only" to the repository which installs just kile and its
> very direct dependencies.
>
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> getting kile package either adds too much or too little
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/849
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[Rodolfo Azevedo (rodolfo-ic)]

 Yes, this seems to be a good solution. You can use the full Kile
package or Kile-only. For me, it would be very nice to have this
option.