Upstart Web sites with different news

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

https://launchpad.net/upstart has, as its most recent "announcement", the release of Upstart 1.2 on 2011-03-22.
http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ has, as its the most "Recent News", the release of Upstart 0.6.7 on 2010-12-14.
http://upstart.at/ has, as its most recent news, the release of an Upstart Cookbook on 2011-03-25.

Get it together. :-) If you want mindshare, you need a single up-to-date Web site -- or at most, two Web sites with a clear understanding of which is a subset of the other.

[Robert Roth (evfool)]

upstart.at states that the Upstart cookbook was released on 2011-03-25, that's right, but that's only a Cookbook (documentation), it also states that the software, upstart 1.2 was released on 2011-03-22 (http://upstart.at/2011/03/22/upstart-1-2-this-sort-of-thing-is-my-bag-baby-released/), so this is consistent with the info from the launchpad page. However, upstart.ubuntu.com seems to be outdated, as it does not show the same information as the other two pages, so I am setting this as confirmed.

[Scott James Remnant (scott)]

Reassigning to ubuntu-website-content (upstart.ubuntu.com is out of date)

[Ellen Arnold (ellenjanearnold)]

Hello,

We don't have access to the upstart websites! I believe James Hunt is the contact for that site.

I'm going to mark this bug as invalid, just because we can't fix it! Clearly it is valid to someone who can. :)

Cheers,

Ellen

[Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)]

I don't know who "we" is, but in any case I don't think that's related to whether the bug report is valid. If there's an *.ubuntu.com site that particular people should be able to fix and can't, please report that as a separate bug.

Since you suggest it's James Hunt's responsibility, reassigning to the Upstart project.

[James Hunt (jamesodhunt)]

We do indeed seem to have an embarrassment of riches here :-)

I for one subscribe to the "dry" principle so would welcome a simpler method of announcing new Upstart releases as right now it is time consuming and -- as evinced by this bug -- error prone. A few points:

- upstart.at is owned by Keybuk. I believe the intention was to move all Upstart information to upstart.at and leave upstart.ubuntu.com as an "archive" for older releases. However, this view may have changed now?

- I'm somewhat surprised that lp doesn't automatically make an announcement when a new "release" is created (this isn't dry :)
  Maybe there is some way to configure a project to do this? I've raised bug 809258 anyway and have manually created an "announcement" for Upstart 1.3.

- upstart.ubuntu.com needs to by manually updated (by writing HTML - just like the good ol' days :-)

- upstart.ubuntu.com does not have all the releases - only those up to 0.6.7. newer releases are on lp only.

- upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki is out of date and has been largely subsumed by the Upstart Cookbook.

- upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki has a separate wiki to wiki.ubuntu.com as shown by the differing theme. It's unclear why this is (still?) required.

My preference would be to:

(1) Resolve the function of upstart.at.

(2) If (1) is dropped (?), maybe have upstart.ubuntu.com redirect to launchpad.net/upstart.

(3) Selectively migrate the content of upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki to wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstart/.
      It needs careful editing since most of it relates to older releases, so we need to decide to either drop those parts
      or retain them and mark individual sections as "Upstart 0.6.x and newer" maybe?

(4) Since all upstart releases are available on lp, remove the copies on upstart.ubuntu.com.

(5) Avoid the need to have to edit HTML by relying on LP's magical powers :-)

Comments anyone?