Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop

[Morten Mjelva]

Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or something similar.

[Manish Sinha (मनीष सिन्हा) (manishsinha)]

When I read the title, I thought you wanted zeitgeist project to be hosted using freedesktop infrastructure.

[Manish Sinha (मनीष सिन्हा) (manishsinha)]

I don't think it is any more possible (if yes, then very tough). It might break nearly all the applications. Fixing them would be a huge pain and someone needs to track all such instances.

[Michal Hruby (mhr3)]

Basically I agree with Manish, moving everything just to show that we're not dependant on gnome doesn't sound like a good idea. I guess we could reside on both names for a period of time and then drop the org.gnome.* one, but to use a freedesktop domain we'd need to have some official approval from freedesktop.org.

[Manish Sinha (मनीष सिन्हा) (manishsinha)]

I don't have any problems with moving to freedesktop dbus name as long as it does not break things. If it doesn't I don't have any objections to anything.

[Morten Mjelva (mortenmjelva)]

There's no need to actually move our code and infrastructure to
freedesktop.org hosting in order to be an official freedesktop
project. We can certainly keep our code on Launchpad if we want to do
that.
Additionally, we're definitely in freedesktop.org's target audience,
so it shouldn't be difficult to gain entry if we send them a request.

-Morten

On 26 November 2010 20:10, Manish Sinha <email address hidden> wrote:
> I don't have any problems with moving to freedesktop dbus name as long
> as it does not break things. If it doesn't I don't have any objections
> to anything.
>
> --
> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>
> Bug description:
> Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or something similar.
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/681887/+subscribe
>

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen (kamstrup)]

Honestly I don't see what good this bring us except breakage of existing libs. We could own two names, but that just seems silly. Application authors should never need to see these namespaces. And it's a *namespace* nothing more. I'm quite sure distributors and ISVs can see past this.

FWIW there's no official sanctioning of what you can do with freedesktop.org namespaces. It's not a standards body or anything. Pretty much a free-for-all forum to aggregate (more or less) desktop independent technologies.

[Morten Mjelva (mortenmjelva)]

I think it's mostly about what type of message we send people, and how
we're perceived. Now that we're also in KDE, and looking at other
platforms besides that as well, it looks strange for us to be in the
GNOME namespace.

On 26 November 2010 23:12, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
<email address hidden> wrote:
> Honestly I don't see what good this bring us except breakage of existing
> libs. We could own two names, but that just seems silly. Application
> authors should never need to see these namespaces. And it's a
> *namespace* nothing more. I'm quite sure distributors and ISVs can see
> past this.
>
> FWIW there's no official sanctioning of what you can do with
> freedesktop.org namespaces. It's not a standards body or anything.
> Pretty much a free-for-all forum to aggregate (more or less) desktop
> independent technologies.
>
> --
> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>
> Bug description:
> Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or something similar.
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/681887/+subscribe
>

[Seif Lotfy (seif)]

Morten we should not break our current clients to satisfy upcoming
clients...
I know it seems weird but I think they can live with it since it just a
freaking namespace. I could call it org.hunannyyumyum.Zeitgeist and it
should not matter :)

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Morten Mjelva <email address hidden>wrote:

> I think it's mostly about what type of message we send people, and how
> we're perceived. Now that we're also in KDE, and looking at other
> platforms besides that as well, it looks strange for us to be in the
> GNOME namespace.
>
> On 26 November 2010 23:12, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> <email address hidden> wrote:
> > Honestly I don't see what good this bring us except breakage of existing
> > libs. We could own two names, but that just seems silly. Application
> > authors should never need to see these namespaces. And it's a
> > *namespace* nothing more. I'm quite sure distributors and ISVs can see
> > past this.
> >
> > FWIW there's no official sanctioning of what you can do with
> > freedesktop.org namespaces. It's not a standards body or anything.
> > Pretty much a free-for-all forum to aggregate (more or less) desktop
> > independent technologies.
> >
> > --
> > Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a
> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project
> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
> something similar.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/681887/+subscribe
> >
>
> --
> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to The
> Zeitgeist Project.
>
> Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>
> Bug description:
> Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a
> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project
> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
> something similar.
>
>
>

--
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[Morten Mjelva (mortenmjelva)]

Dude, what the hell? You were the one who asked me to submit this
proposal. Make up your mind.

On 28 November 2010 16:24, Seif Lotfy <email address hidden> wrote:
> Morten we should not break our current clients to satisfy upcoming
> clients...
> I know it seems weird but I think they can live with it since it just a
> freaking namespace. I could call it org.hunannyyumyum.Zeitgeist and it
> should not matter :)
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Morten Mjelva
> <email address hidden>wrote:
>
>> I think it's mostly about what type of message we send people, and how
>> we're perceived. Now that we're also in KDE, and looking at other
>> platforms besides that as well, it looks strange for us to be in the
>> GNOME namespace.
>>
>> On 26 November 2010 23:12, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
>> <email address hidden> wrote:
>> > Honestly I don't see what good this bring us except breakage of existing
>> > libs. We could own two names, but that just seems silly. Application
>> > authors should never need to see these namespaces. And it's a
>> > *namespace* nothing more. I'm quite sure distributors and ISVs can see
>> > past this.
>> >
>> > FWIW there's no official sanctioning of what you can do with
>> > freedesktop.org namespaces. It's not a standards body or anything.
>> > Pretty much a free-for-all forum to aggregate (more or less) desktop
>> > independent technologies.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
>> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
>> > of the bug.
>> >
>> > Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>> >
>> > Bug description:
>> > Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a
>> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project
>> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
>> something similar.
>> >
>> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/681887/+subscribe
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
>> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to The
>> Zeitgeist Project.
>>
>> Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>>
>> Bug description:
>> Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a
>> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project
>> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
>> something similar.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> This is me doing some advertisement for my blog http://seilo.geekyogre.com
>
> --
> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>
> Bug description:
> Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer a GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the project to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or something similar.
>
> To unsubscribe from this bug...

[Seif Lotfy (seif)]

The submission is to have the whole team discuss. I dont take the decision.

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Morten Mjelva <email address hidden>wrote:

> Dude, what the hell? You were the one who asked me to submit this
> proposal. Make up your mind.
>
> On 28 November 2010 16:24, Seif Lotfy <email address hidden> wrote:
> > Morten we should not break our current clients to satisfy upcoming
> > clients...
> > I know it seems weird but I think they can live with it since it just a
> > freaking namespace. I could call it org.hunannyyumyum.Zeitgeist and it
> > should not matter :)
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Morten Mjelva
> > <email address hidden>wrote:
> >
> >> I think it's mostly about what type of message we send people, and how
> >> we're perceived. Now that we're also in KDE, and looking at other
> >> platforms besides that as well, it looks strange for us to be in the
> >> GNOME namespace.
> >>
> >> On 26 November 2010 23:12, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> >> <email address hidden> wrote:
> >> > Honestly I don't see what good this bring us except breakage of
> existing
> >> > libs. We could own two names, but that just seems silly. Application
> >> > authors should never need to see these namespaces. And it's a
> >> > *namespace* nothing more. I'm quite sure distributors and ISVs can see
> >> > past this.
> >> >
> >> > FWIW there's no official sanctioning of what you can do with
> >> > freedesktop.org namespaces. It's not a standards body or anything.
> >> > Pretty much a free-for-all forum to aggregate (more or less) desktop
> >> > independent technologies.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> >> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> >> > of the bug.
> >> >
> >> > Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
> >> >
> >> > Bug description:
> >> > Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no
> longer a
> >> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the
> project
> >> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
> >> something similar.
> >> >
> >> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/681887/+subscribe
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to The
> >> Zeitgeist Project.
> >>
> >> Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
> >>
> >> Bug description:
> >> Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer
> a
> >> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the
> project
> >> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
> >> something similar.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > This is me doing some advertisement for my blog
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com
> >
> > --
> > Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> > of the bug.
> >
> > Status...

[Morten Mjelva (mortenmjelva)]

I think mhr3's suggestion about using two namespaces for a while is a
good solution.
If we keep our existing gnome namespace, but deprecate it, and at the
same time move to freedesktop for 0.7, we could remove the gnome
namespace in some later release.

On 28 November 2010 17:17, Seif Lotfy <email address hidden> wrote:
> The submission is to have the whole team discuss. I dont take the
> decision.
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Morten Mjelva
> <email address hidden>wrote:
>
>> Dude, what the hell? You were the one who asked me to submit this
>> proposal. Make up your mind.
>>
>> On 28 November 2010 16:24, Seif Lotfy <email address hidden> wrote:
>> > Morten we should not break our current clients to satisfy upcoming
>> > clients...
>> > I know it seems weird but I think they can live with it since it just a
>> > freaking namespace. I could call it org.hunannyyumyum.Zeitgeist and it
>> > should not matter :)
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Morten Mjelva
>> > <email address hidden>wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think it's mostly about what type of message we send people, and how
>> >> we're perceived. Now that we're also in KDE, and looking at other
>> >> platforms besides that as well, it looks strange for us to be in the
>> >> GNOME namespace.
>> >>
>> >> On 26 November 2010 23:12, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
>> >> <email address hidden> wrote:
>> >> > Honestly I don't see what good this bring us except breakage of
>> existing
>> >> > libs. We could own two names, but that just seems silly. Application
>> >> > authors should never need to see these namespaces. And it's a
>> >> > *namespace* nothing more. I'm quite sure distributors and ISVs can see
>> >> > past this.
>> >> >
>> >> > FWIW there's no official sanctioning of what you can do with
>> >> > freedesktop.org namespaces. It's not a standards body or anything.
>> >> > Pretty much a free-for-all forum to aggregate (more or less) desktop
>> >> > independent technologies.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
>> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
>> >> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
>> >> > of the bug.
>> >> >
>> >> > Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>> >> >
>> >> > Bug description:
>> >> > Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no
>> longer a
>> >> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the
>> project
>> >> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
>> >> something similar.
>> >> >
>> >> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
>> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/681887/+subscribe
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
>> >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to The
>> >> Zeitgeist Project.
>> >>
>> >> Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
>> >>
>> >> Bug description:
>> >> Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no longer
>> a
>> >> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the
>> project
>> >> to the org.freedesktop...

[Seif Lotfy (seif)]

I agree with that approach
Maybe we can do that over the next 3 releases.
So for natty we will have 2 namespaces while for natty+1 we will have only
one

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Morten Mjelva <email address hidden>wrote:

> I think mhr3's suggestion about using two namespaces for a while is a
> good solution.
> If we keep our existing gnome namespace, but deprecate it, and at the
> same time move to freedesktop for 0.7, we could remove the gnome
> namespace in some later release.
>
> On 28 November 2010 17:17, Seif Lotfy <email address hidden> wrote:
> > The submission is to have the whole team discuss. I dont take the
> > decision.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Morten Mjelva
> > <email address hidden>wrote:
> >
> >> Dude, what the hell? You were the one who asked me to submit this
> >> proposal. Make up your mind.
> >>
> >> On 28 November 2010 16:24, Seif Lotfy <email address hidden>
> wrote:
> >> > Morten we should not break our current clients to satisfy upcoming
> >> > clients...
> >> > I know it seems weird but I think they can live with it since it just
> a
> >> > freaking namespace. I could call it org.hunannyyumyum.Zeitgeist and it
> >> > should not matter :)
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Morten Mjelva
> >> > <email address hidden>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I think it's mostly about what type of message we send people, and
> how
> >> >> we're perceived. Now that we're also in KDE, and looking at other
> >> >> platforms besides that as well, it looks strange for us to be in the
> >> >> GNOME namespace.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 26 November 2010 23:12, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> >> >> <email address hidden> wrote:
> >> >> > Honestly I don't see what good this bring us except breakage of
> >> existing
> >> >> > libs. We could own two names, but that just seems silly.
> Application
> >> >> > authors should never need to see these namespaces. And it's a
> >> >> > *namespace* nothing more. I'm quite sure distributors and ISVs can
> see
> >> >> > past this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > FWIW there's no official sanctioning of what you can do with
> >> >> > freedesktop.org namespaces. It's not a standards body or anything.
> >> >> > Pretty much a free-for-all forum to aggregate (more or less)
> desktop
> >> >> > independent technologies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> >> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/681887
> >> >> > You received this bug notification because you are a direct
> subscriber
> >> >> > of the bug.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Status in Zeitgeist Framework: New
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bug description:
> >> >> > Zeitgeist currently uses the org.gnome dbus domain. As we are no
> >> longer a
> >> >> GNOME-specific project, I think it would make more sense to move the
> >> project
> >> >> to the org.freedesktop domain, as org.freedesktop.Zeitgeist.engine or
> >> >> something similar.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> >> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/681887/+subscribe
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Moving Zeitgeist dbus Bus name from gnome to Freedesktop
> >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/...

[Siegfried Gevatter (rainct)]

I'm with Mikkel.

[Markus Korn (thekorn)]

I don't agree with changing the namepsace for dbus names.
There is simply no good reason why we should make this move. After all the "gnome" part is just a random string. And noone on KDE, Windows or whatever platform should have a problem using this string.
Changing the name, maybe by even using *two* names at the same time for a period of time is adding extra complexity to our work, and I don't want this - unless someone comes up with a very good reason (like zg would be banned from certain systems if we keep on using 'gnome', etc.)

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen (kamstrup)]

Marking as wontfix since this seems to be the consensus of a majority of the maintainers