bmp is deprecated by upstream ==> please replace it by Audacious

[Mantas Kriaučiūnas]

Upstream will no longer be actively working on beep media player.
Bmpx which is a successor of bmp, but not a replacement.

Audacious (http://audacious.nenolod.net) is a real successor of classic bmp, it's able to actually replace beep-media-player in Ubuntu.

My suggestion is to replace the beep-media-player package by an audacious package.

[Mantas Kriaučiūnas (mantas)]

Upstream will no longer be actively working on beep media player.
Bmpx which is a successor of bmp, but not a replacement.

Audacious (http://audacious.nenolod.net) is a real successor of classic bmp, it's able to actually replace beep-media-player in Ubuntu.

My suggestion is to replace the beep-media-player package by an audacious package.

[Samuel Mimram (smimram)]

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reassign 344634 audacious

[Adrien Cunin (adri2000)]

Audacious is in feisty, but I'm not sure it should completely replace bmp.

[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

Could we pull together all of the relevant parties and determine what to do about beep/audacious?

There are several bugs against beep ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beep-media-player/+bugs ); I doubt they will be resolved and the situation will probably only get worse as the underlying infrastructure changes (e.g., switching to PulseAudio). I just tested audacious for two bugs that still exist in beep, and both are gone with audacious. (I've closed these bug reports; perhaps I should not have, just yet.) So far, no bugs are reported against audacious ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bugs ), but this may very well be because it is only in Feisty and Feisty is not thus far released.

Ideally, we could get rid of beep and provide a "migration" script for current beep users - a nice little dialog that will basically tell the user that beep-media-player is now called "audacious", then offers to launch audacious...

[Vassilis Pandis (pandisv)]

From my understanding of the situation, bmpX is considered to be the "natural" follower of bmp, with audacious being a fork. At any rate, since this is no longer supported by upstream, and since there many open and very old bugs [1] in the Debian BTS, I believe that bmp should be removed from the archives.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=beep-media-player;dist=unstable

[Vassilis Pandis (pandisv)]

Forwarded to ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists..

[Mantas Kriaučiūnas (mantas)]

Vassilis Pandis at 2007-02-13 wrote
> From my understanding of the situation, bmpX is considered to be the "natural" follower of bmp, with audacious being a fork.

You are not right, did you even used bmp and tried to use bmpX and audacious ?
If not, then please at least look at screenshots of these programs, I think it's enough tool look at screenshots, to understand which software could be used as bmp replacement. Even BMP developers on BMP homepage recommends to use Audacious as "classic" BMP replacement, why you don't you believe them ? Look at http://bmp.beep-media-player.org :

 BMP is discontinued, now enjoy BMPx
BMPx is the codename for the next generation of BMP. It has been written from scratch to shed off the XMMS legacy that had been restricting our creativity. BMPx reimplements and extends the BMP user interface (UI) we have refined over the years.
[..]
BMP classic lives on...
 26 October 2005 Submitted By Chong Kai Xiong (descender)
 nenolod has informed us that he has forked BMP 0.9.7.1 into Audacious! If you liked BMP classic and have been disappointed by our recent announcement, look no further and give Audacious your support :)
[..]

So, bmpx is completely new and different project from bmp

> At any rate, since this is no longer supported by upstream, and since there many open and very old bugs [1] in the Debian BTS, I believe that bmp should be removed from the archives.

Yea, beep-media-player package should be removed from Ubuntu and Debian and replaced by transitional package, which install audacious.
I can patch audacious package to generate transitional beep-media-player package if Ubuntu developers agree

[Chris Wagner (chris-wagner)]

On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 17:35 +0000, Mantas Kriaučiūnas wrote:
> Yea, beep-media-player package should be removed from Ubuntu and
> Debian and replaced by transitional package, which install audacious.
> I can patch audacious package to generate transitional beep-media-player
> package if Ubuntu developers agree

Also, this transitional package might have some kind of notification, to
previous users of BMP, that audacious is the "successor" (of sorts). It
could offer to launch audacious for the, as well. At worst, there should
by a sym-link in place of `beep-media-player`, which simply points to
the audacious binary.

[Vassilis Pandis (pandisv)]

Mantas, thanks. Seems I'm not well informed on the matter. I retract previous comment about bmpX.

[Adrien Cunin (adri2000)]

 status invalid
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Hi,
I'm closing this bug report because the beep-media-player package has been
removed from the archive.
BMP is now deprecated in favour of Audacious or BMPx (both are packaged and
available in the universe repository: audacious and bmpx).

Thanks,

--
Adrien Cunin aka Adri2000

[Mantas Kriaučiūnas (mantas)]

I'm assigning this bugreport to audacious package - it should provide beep-media-player "dumb" or virtual package, as the beep-media-player package has been removed from the archive in Ubuntu Hardy.

[William Pitcock (nenolod)]

Hi,

I disagree about this. Audacious and BMP are two different players. It
would be inappropriate to provide a virtual package.

(Plus most people who know about BMP, know about Audacious too.)

 status invalid

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 11:08 +0000, Mantas Kriaučiūnas wrote:
> I'm assigning this bugreport to audacious package - it should provide
> beep-media-player "dumb" or virtual package, as the beep-media-player
> package has been removed from the archive in Ubuntu Hardy.
>
> ** Changed in: audacious (Ubuntu)
> Sourcepackagename: beep-media-player => audacious
> Status: Invalid => New
>

[Marco Rodrigues (gothicx-sapo)]

Hi!

You have two different software, because some people doesn't like audacious,
others doesn't like bmpx, that's why we've both, that's better.

XMMS is going to disappear before the new debian release.

Thanks

--
Marco Rodrigues

http://Marco.Tondela.org

[William Pitcock (nenolod)]

reopen 344634
thanks

Hi,

This bug is perfectly valid in Debian. bmpx is not capable of replacing
BMP in Debian; audacious is. Why you ask? Because BMPx does not and
never will support Winamp2 skins.

So please do not touch this bug again.

William