skkdic requires cdbmake to complete migration from freecdb

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Automatically imported from Debian bug report #338038 http://bugs.debian.org/338038

[Tommi Virtanen (tv)]

Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> freecdb does not provide a shared library, even though policy requires
> it to do so. This leads to bugs like #243007 (making vpopmail RC-buggy)
> and possibly others.
>
> If there is some good reason for freecdb not to be a shared library
> (Policy 8.3), at the very least there should be a freecdb_pic version,
> but I can't see any such reason.

--8<--
    In some cases, it is acceptable for a library to be available in
static form only; these cases include:

      * libraries for languages whose shared library support is immature
or unstable

      * libraries whose interfaces are in flux or under development
(commonly the case when the library's major version
        number is zero, or where the ABI breaks across patchlevels)

      * libraries which are explicitly intended to be available only in
static form by their upstream author(s)

                                                         --8<--

The last item very much matches freecdb.

The package consists of two static libraries, each one _less than 4kB_
in size. I see no point in making shared libraries of them, unless a
really compelling technical argument proves I _must_. And even then I'm
much happier just forcing people to migrate to tinycdb, a cleaner
reimplementation of the same idea, called tinycdb; any project that
isn't dead itself, and still depends on freecdb, should migrate to
tinycdb. TinyCDB even gets updated every once in a while.

The only reason freecdb exists is to support software that wants to use
djb's cdb, and it even isn't API-compatible with the newer versions of
cdb. I am upstream for this fork, and am officially stating that freecdb
is _DEAD DEAD DEAD_. Pining for the fjords!

[Steinar H. Gunderson (sesse)]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 05:03:26PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote:
> The package consists of two static libraries, each one _less than 4kB_
> in size. I see no point in making shared libraries of them, unless a
> really compelling technical argument proves I _must_. And even then I'm
> much happier just forcing people to migrate to tinycdb, a cleaner
> reimplementation of the same idea, called tinycdb; any project that
> isn't dead itself, and still depends on freecdb, should migrate to
> tinycdb. TinyCDB even gets updated every once in a while.

In that case, please provide _pic versions, so freecdb can be used within
shared libraries. Either that, or vpopmail will probably have to be removed
(which is not unlikely, of course).

/* Steinar */
--
Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/

[Steve Langasek (vorlon)]

tags 272127 sarge-ignore
thanks

This is only a serious bug in the sense that it affects the vpopmail
package, which needs to be able to build against a PIC version (shared
or static) of this library. However, vpopmail has already been removed
from testing, so the "serious"ness of this bug does not affect sarge.

Cheers,
--
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

[Steve Langasek (vorlon)]

Hi Tommi,

Since freecdb was already considered dead roughly a year ago, should we be
thinking about pulling it from etch and forcing its reverse-dependencies to
migrate to tinycdb?

Thanks,
--
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

[Steve Langasek (vorlon)]

clone 272127 -1 -2 -3
reassign -1 dbskkd-cdb
reassign -2 skkdic
reassign -3 skksearch
thanks

Kawamura-san,

In bug #272127, the maintainer (and upstream) of freecdb had this to say
about the package:

  I'm much happier just forcing people to migrate to tinycdb, a cleaner
  reimplementation of the same idea, called tinycdb; any project that
  isn't dead itself, and still depends on freecdb, should migrate to
  tinycdb. TinyCDB even gets updated every once in a while.

  The only reason freecdb exists is to support software that wants to
  use djb's cdb, and it even isn't API-compatible with the newer
  versions of cdb. I am upstream for this fork, and am officially
  stating that freecdb is _DEAD DEAD DEAD_. Pining for the fjords!

It seems that you have three packages: skksearch, skkdic, and dbskkd-cdb
that build-depend on freecdb. Can these packages be migrated to
TinyCDB, as Tommi suggests? This would let us remove freecdb from the
archive, which sounds like it would be a good thing.

Thanks,
--
Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.
<email address hidden> http://www.debian.org/

[Frank Lichtenheld (djpig)]

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retitle 325272 freecdb is dead, please migrate to tinycdb

[Frank Lichtenheld (djpig)]

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[Charles Fry (debian-frogcircus)]

clone 325271 -1
reassign -1 freecdb
retitle -1 skkdic requires cdbmake to complete migration from freecdb
thanks

tinycdb is not currently a fit replacement for freecdb in skkdic, which
depends on the cdbmake command, which is not currenlty included in
tinycdb. It seems that cdbmake should either be released as a seperate
package, or moved into tinycdb (although if that were to happen, it
should arguably be upstream).

Charles

--
I know
He's a wolf
Said riding hood
But Grandma dear,
He smells so good
Burma-Shave
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Automatically imported from Debian bug report #338038 http://bugs.debian.org/338038

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Message-Id: <email address hidden>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:14:27 +0200
From: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <email address hidden>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <email address hidden>
Subject: freecdb: does not provide a shared library

Package: freecdb
Version: 0.62
Severity: serious
Justification: Policy 8

freecdb does not provide a shared library, even though policy requires
it to do so. This leads to bugs like #243007 (making vpopmail RC-buggy)
and possibly others.

If there is some good reason for freecdb not to be a shared library
(Policy 8.3), at the very least there should be a freecdb_pic version,
but I can't see any such reason.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.6
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=en_US.ISO8859-1

Versions of packages freecdb depends on:
ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-16 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an

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[Debian Bug Importer (debzilla)]

Message-ID: <email address hidden>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:03:26 +0300
From: Tommi Virtanen <email address hidden>
To: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <email address hidden>,
 <email address hidden>
Subject: Re: Bug#272127: freecdb: does not provide a shared library

Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> freecdb does not provide a shared library, even though policy requires
> it to do so. This leads to bugs like #243007 (making vpopmail RC-buggy)
> and possibly others.
>
> If there is some good reason for freecdb not to be a shared library
> (Policy 8.3), at the very least there should be a freecdb_pic version,
> but I can't see any such reason.

--8<--
    In some cases, it is acceptable for a library to be available in
static form only; these cases include:

      * libraries for languages whose shared library support is immature
or unstable

      * libraries whose interfaces are in flux or under development
(commonly the case when the library's major version
        number is zero, or where the ABI breaks across patchlevels)

      * libraries which are explicitly intended to be available only in
static form by their upstream author(s)

                                                         --8<--

The last item very much matches freecdb.

The package consists of two static libraries, each one _less than 4kB_
in size. I see no point in making shared libraries of them, unless a
really compelling technical argument proves I _must_. And even then I'm
much happier just forcing people to migrate to tinycdb, a cleaner
reimplementation of the same idea, called tinycdb; any project that
isn't dead itself, and still depends on freecdb, should migrate to
tinycdb. TinyCDB even gets updated every once in a while.

The only reason freecdb exists is to support software that wants to use
djb's cdb, and it even isn't API-compatible with the newer versions of
cdb. I am upstream for this fork, and am officially stating that freecdb
is _DEAD DEAD DEAD_. Pining for the fjords!

[Debian Bug Importer (debzilla)]

Message-ID: <email address hidden>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:55:38 +0200
From: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <email address hidden>
To: Tommi Virtanen <email address hidden>
Cc: <email address hidden>
Subject: Re: Bug#272127: freecdb: does not provide a shared library

On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 05:03:26PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote:
> The package consists of two static libraries, each one _less than 4kB_
> in size. I see no point in making shared libraries of them, unless a
> really compelling technical argument proves I _must_. And even then I'm
> much happier just forcing people to migrate to tinycdb, a cleaner
> reimplementation of the same idea, called tinycdb; any project that
> isn't dead itself, and still depends on freecdb, should migrate to
> tinycdb. TinyCDB even gets updated every once in a while.

In that case, please provide _pic versions, so freecdb can be used within
shared libraries. Either that, or vpopmail will probably have to be removed
(which is not unlikely, of course).

/* Steinar */
--
Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:22:52 -0700
From: Steve Langasek <email address hidden>
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Subject: Re: freecdb: does not provide a shared library

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tags 272127 sarge-ignore
thanks

This is only a serious bug in the sense that it affects the vpopmail
package, which needs to be able to build against a PIC version (shared
or static) of this library. However, vpopmail has already been removed
=66rom testing, so the "serious"ness of this bug does not affect sarge.

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Hi Tommi,

Since freecdb was already considered dead roughly a year ago, should we be
thinking about pulling it from etch and forcing its reverse-dependencies to
migrate to tinycdb?

Thanks,
--=20
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postmodern programmer

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Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:33:25 -0700
From: Steve Langasek <email address hidden>
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Cc: Takao KAWAMURA <email address hidden>
Subject: Re: freecdb: does not provide a shared library

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clone 272127 -1 -2 -3
reassign -1 dbskkd-cdb
reassign -2 skkdic
reassign -3 skksearch
thanks

Kawamura-san,

In bug #272127, the maintainer (and upstream) of freecdb had this to say
about the package:

  I'm much happier just forcing people to migrate to tinycdb, a cleaner
  reimplementation of the same idea, called tinycdb; any project that
  isn't dead itself, and still depends on freecdb, should migrate to
  tinycdb. TinyCDB even gets updated every once in a while.

  The only reason freecdb exists is to support software that wants to
  use djb's cdb, and it even isn't API-compatible with the newer
  versions of cdb. I am upstream for this fork, and am officially
  stating that freecdb is _DEAD DEAD DEAD_. Pining for the fjords!

It seems that you have three packages: skksearch, skkdic, and dbskkd-cdb
that build-depend on freecdb. Can these packages be migrated to
TinyCDB, as Tommi suggests? This would let us remove freecdb from the
archive, which sounds like it would be a good thing.

Thanks,
--=20
Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.
<email address hidden> http://www.debian.org/

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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:12:09 -0500
From: Charles Fry <email address hidden>
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Subject: tinycdb doesn't provide cdbmake

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clone 325271 -1
reassign -1 freecdb
retitle -1 skkdic requires cdbmake to complete migration from freecdb
thanks

tinycdb is not currently a fit replacement for freecdb in skkdic, which
depends on the cdbmake command, which is not currenlty included in
tinycdb. It seems that cdbmake should either be released as a seperate
package, or moved into tinycdb (although if that were to happen, it
should arguably be upstream).

Charles

--=20
I know
He's a wolf
Said riding hood
But Grandma dear,
He smells so good
Burma-Shave
http://burma-shave.org/jingles/1951/i_know

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[Matej Vela (vela)]

Charles Fry <email address hidden> writes:

> tinycdb is not currently a fit replacement for freecdb in skkdic, which
> depends on the cdbmake command, which is not currenlty included in
> tinycdb. It seems that cdbmake should either be released as a seperate
> package, or moved into tinycdb (although if that were to happen, it
> should arguably be upstream).

tinycdb provides a cdb utility with a `-c' option that is equivalent
to cdbmake. (A fixed skkdic is in incoming.)

Thanks,

Matej

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Message-ID: <email address hidden>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:54:50 +0100
From: Matej Vela <email address hidden>
To: Charles Fry <email address hidden>
Cc: <email address hidden>, <email address hidden>
Subject: Re: tinycdb doesn't provide cdbmake

Charles Fry <email address hidden> writes:

> tinycdb is not currently a fit replacement for freecdb in skkdic, which
> depends on the cdbmake command, which is not currenlty included in
> tinycdb. It seems that cdbmake should either be released as a seperate
> package, or moved into tinycdb (although if that were to happen, it
> should arguably be upstream).

tinycdb provides a cdb utility with a `-c' option that is equivalent
to cdbmake. (A fixed skkdic is in incoming.)

Thanks,

Matej

[Matt Zimmerman (mdz)]

This bug isn't very interesting to us, but is it possible to migrate away from freecdb since it is obsolete?

[Martin Pitt (pitti)]

We are still using freecdb in the data center.

[Martin Pitt (pitti)]

This was closed in Debian with the following remark:

  tinycdb provides a cdb utility with a `-c' option that is equivalent
  to cdbmake. (A fixed skkdic is in incoming.)