[MASTER] Please backport flashplugin-nonfree version 10 beta and asound-plugins from Intrepid so we can drop libflashsupport and the crashes it causes

[John Vivirito]

Binary package hint: flashplugin-nonfree

Please backpor tlatest flash version 10 as it fixes some problems that were seen in version 9 like the libflashsupport sound/crash issues. Now it depends on libflashsupport this has landed in Intrepid nad will backport to Hardy Gutsy maybe feistty and dapper but but for now just Hardy and Gutsy than we can talk about feisty and dapper.

Please mark all bugs on updating flash to version 10 to this bug please.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Working on this today

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Uploaded Gutsy and Hardy flash 10 package to my PPA at https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive
I would like a few people to test this soon so i can get this in Hardy and Gutsy backports

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

ok subscibing jdong to this bug for an ack

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Both built fine here and in PPA, jdong what else do you need for me to push this through, and are Dapper and Feisty ok to backport these too? reason i ask is Feisty is near EOS and Dapper is LTS

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

sorry built fine for hardy and gutsy. I couldnt find out how to add hardy and gutsy tasks so i just nominated them.

[Alexander Sack (asac)]

approving for gutsy-backports

[Alexander Sack (asac)]

approving for hardy-backports

[Alexander Sack (asac)]

dapper and feisty cannot be updated as konqueror still doesn't support xembed there.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Flawsh 10 for gutsy and hardy are built here https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive for people that want to test before backporting

Thanks Alexander

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Subscribed ubuntu-backporters for an ack on this. Assigned hardy and gutsy to me since im done with them. until further notice

[exactt (giesbert)]

i wasn't able to install the package by adding "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnomefreak/ubuntu hardy main" to my repositories list. i get messages about a broken package and and dependencies which aren't installable.

the output: (sorry it is in german)

Die folgenden Pakete sind KAPUTT:
  flashplugin-nonfree
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich automatisch installiert:
  nspluginwrapper
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
  nspluginwrapper
0 Pakete aktualisiert, 2 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
Muss 132kB an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 549kB zusätzlich belegt sein.
Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
  flashplugin-nonfree: Hängt ab: libflashsupport (> 1.9-0ubuntu1) ist aber nicht installationsfähig oder
                                  libasound2-plugins (>= 1.0.16) ist aber nicht installationsfähig
Resolving dependencies...
Die folgenden Aktionen werden diese Abhängigkeiten auflösen:

Beibehalten der folgenden Pakete in ihrer aktuellen Version:
flashplugin-nonfree [Nicht installiert]

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

exactt wrote:
> i wasn't able to install the package by adding "deb
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnomefreak/ubuntu hardy main" to my
> repositories list. i get messages about a broken package and and
> dependencies which aren't installable.
>
> the output: (sorry it is in german)
>
> Die folgenden Pakete sind KAPUTT:
> flashplugin-nonfree
> Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich automatisch installiert:
> nspluginwrapper
> Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
> nspluginwrapper
> 0 Pakete aktualisiert, 2 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
> Muss 132kB an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 549kB zusätzlich belegt sein.
> Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
> flashplugin-nonfree: Hängt ab: libflashsupport (> 1.9-0ubuntu1) ist aber nicht installationsfähig oder
> libasound2-plugins (>= 1.0.16) ist aber nicht installationsfähig
> Resolving dependencies...
> Die folgenden Aktionen werden diese Abhängigkeiten auflösen:
>
> Beibehalten der folgenden Pakete in ihrer aktuellen Version:
> flashplugin-nonfree [Nicht installiert]
>
Sorry i forgot to build libflashsupport. You should beable to install
libflashsupport from repos than try to install it the .deb that i built.
I will add libflashsupport to my PPA tonight.
Thanks for catching it.

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[exactt (giesbert)]

just gave it another try. but still no go...

if i manually select libflashsupport synaptic complains that flash10 requires libflashsupport >1.90ubuntu1 but only 1.90ubuntu1 is available...

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

exactt wrote:
> just gave it another try. but still no go...
>
> if i manually select libflashsupport synaptic complains that flash10
> requires libflashsupport >1.90ubuntu1 but only 1.90ubuntu1 is
> available...
>
Were you trying libflashsupport from my PPA or from official repos? Can
you please give me the exact message the version you have in your
comment is no where to be found maybe it should be >1.9-0ubuntu1. Ok i
think i found the issue i will upload new version in morning so it
should be ready tomorrow sometime.

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

exactt wrote:
> just gave it another try. but still no go...
>
> if i manually select libflashsupport synaptic complains that flash10
> requires libflashsupport >1.90ubuntu1 but only 1.90ubuntu1 is
> available...
>
Here is the upload:
> gnomefreak@Development:~/flashplugin-nonfree_builds/hardy/libflashsupport$ dput ppa-gnomefreak libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt_source.changes
> Checking Signature on .changes
> gpg: Signature made Tue Jun 3 23:08:09 2008 EDT using DSA key ID 3C1C3C2A
> gpg: Good signature from "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito (gnomefreak) <email address hidden>"
> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
> gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
> Primary key fingerprint: 03B9 D442 5A97 DBB9 BABA C1DD AA28 3841 3C1C 3C2A
> Good signature on /home/gnomefreak/flashplugin-nonfree_builds/hardy/libflashsupport/libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt_source.changes.
> Checking Signature on .dsc
> gpg: Signature made Tue Jun 3 23:08:05 2008 EDT using DSA key ID 3C1C3C2A
> gpg: Good signature from "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito (gnomefreak) <email address hidden>"
> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
> gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
> Primary key fingerprint: 03B9 D442 5A97 DBB9 BABA C1DD AA28 3841 3C1C 3C2A
> Good signature on /home/gnomefreak/flashplugin-nonfree_builds/hardy/libflashsupport/libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt.dsc.
> Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests
> that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be
> rejected by the upload queue management software.
> Uploading to ppa-gnomefreak (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):
> libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt.dsc: done.
> libflashsupport_1.9.orig.tar.gz: done.
> libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt.diff.gz: done.
> libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt_source.changes: done.
> Successfully uploaded packages.
> Not running dinstall.

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     John Vivirito

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[exactt (giesbert)]

thx. i now was able to upgrade to flash 10.

though after surfing youtube using FF3 for about a minute and watching 3-5 videos firefox crashed with a segmentation fault. this is not happening with flash 9.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

exactt wrote:
> thx. i now was able to upgrade to flash 10.
>
> though after surfing youtube using FF3 for about a minute and watching
> 3-5 videos firefox crashed with a segmentation fault. this is not
> happening with flash 9.
>
I wish i could support this as of this minute as this is only a temp
holding place until we figure out -proposed or -backports. Can you
please try to catch me in #ubuntu-mozillateam on irc.reenode.net. Please
let me know if using a new profile helps. You can follow instructions on
the folloing link to use new profile. If you need any help please find
me in #ubuntu-mozillateam. Cant really call this a bug at the moment
since its not final release and we dont have it in Ubuntu other than
Intrepid. You can move back to flash 9 by removing flashplugin-nonfree
and than installing flashplugin-nonfree from Ubuntu repos. I will take a
  look at this but i have a feeling its either an extension like
flashblock that is causing the crash
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Ok update my PPA has Hardy flash 10 libflashsupport and 2 pulse audio packages, Can someone please test flash by not addding the repo to your sources.list instead just download flashplugin-nonfree, Pulseaudio and alsa-plugins you will need to install pulseaudio than alsa-plugins than flashplugin-nonfree i think. The reason im asking for testers is we would rather not have flash use libflashsupport if we can avoid it until we are positive its been fixed and as of this moment it doesnt look like it has been so if we can avoid backporting crashes we will. Im working on Gutsy packages today gonna depend on PA instead of libflash. since gutsy also didnt have libflashsupport package.

[fx5 (packaging)]

Hi John,
i downloaded and installed your packages:
flashplugin-nonfree libasound2-plugins libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulsecore5 pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulseaudio-utils

The flash player still doesn't use pulseaudio. Do i have to change anything else?

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

fx5 wrote:
> Hi John,
> i downloaded and installed your packages:
> flashplugin-nonfree libasound2-plugins libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulsecore5 pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulseaudio-utils
>
> The flash player still doesn't use pulseaudio. Do i have to change
> anything else?
>
You need to find out if you are using pulseaudio for sound. I however
cant remember the command to check/set it for default. If i see our
sound guys i will ask them to refresh my memeory.
Ok i pinged one of them and asked him to add commands to this bug. I
will be gone most of today but will check email sometime i hope.

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[fx5 (packaging)]

Ok,
I went back to the packages from hardy's apt-sources and removed the flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport.

I copied "libflashplayer.so" from original Flash-Player-10 tar.gz to .mozilla/plugins directory and ran

> "asoundconf set-pulseaudio"
Now it works for me.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

fx5 wrote:
> Ok,
> I went back to the packages from hardy's apt-sources and removed the flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport.
>
> I copied "libflashplayer.so" from original Flash-Player-10 tar.gz to
> .mozilla/plugins directory and ran
>
>
>> "asoundconf set-pulseaudio"
>>
> Now it works for me.
>
>
Thanks for the update, It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your
system. Closing bug due to the ubove comment

 status invalid

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[fx5 (packaging)]

John Vivirito wrote:
[...]
It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your system
[...]

I don't understand your comment. libasound does not use pulseaudio in hardys default setting, does it?

To fix all flash issues i had to:
- Installing Flash 10
- AND removing libflashsupport
- AND setting libasound to use pulseaudio

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

fx5 wrote:
> John Vivirito wrote:
> [...]
> It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your system
> [...]
>
> I don't understand your comment. libasound does not use pulseaudio in
> hardys default setting, does it?
>
> To fix all flash issues i had to:
> - Installing Flash 10
> - AND removing libflashsupport
> - AND setting libasound to use pulseaudio
>
Yes Pulse Audio should be default in Hardy as that is what was intended
removing libflashsupport fixes alot of crashes and other issues
including sound playback. There were a few bugs on this since it
involved 3 packages in total but PA is het here as default in Hardy
clean install.

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Backporters i cant set package to gutsy or hardy-backports havent tried feisty but im betting it wont happen either for another bug it looks like Gutsy-Backports should work but it doesnt find a package.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

exactt
can you please remove libflashsupport and install libasound package from my repos and test, Im betting this is one of libflashsupport issue and im hoping to get away without backporting that do to crashes.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Backporters/archive admins,
Hardy is done and ready to be pushed to backports all builds and works fine with PA but we also need to push alsa-plugins and that should give us the option of losing libflashsupport. both build and test fine here. You can find both packages in my PPA if needed to verify before pushing.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

As for Gutsy AFAIK PA isnt used as default and there is not libflashsupport

(gutsy)gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy libflashsupport
libflashsupport:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:

Not sure what im going to do on this one ATM.

[Alessio "Spinus" Moscatello (spinus)]

I've installed libflashsupport, libasound2-plugins and I've removed libflashsupport and everything seems to work fine!

[Alessio "Spinus" Moscatello (spinus)]

Sorry, I've forgot to say that I'm using Hardy!

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Spinus wrote:
> Sorry, I've forgot to say that I'm using Hardy!
>
You need either libflashsupport or asound in hardy-intrepid but gutsy is
gonna need a bit more i wont beable to get to it until weekend or next
week to work on gutsy.

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

As long as you have PA set to default than asound is needed and libflashsupport isnt needed but im thinking push both just in case but i would really like to talk to a backporter about what they feel comfortible doing atleast for Hardy

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

Setting hardy-backports to incomplete. I need a complete list of the packages and versions that need to be backported to make this happen. IIRC pulse is not default on all Ubuntu variants, so do not assume pulse.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Setting hardy-backports to incomplete. I need a complete list of the
> packages and versions that need to be backported to make this happen.
> IIRC pulse is not default on all Ubuntu variants, so do not assume
> pulse.
>
> ** Changed in: hardy-backports
> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
>
>
we need either asound-plugins backported if we want to use pulse and
drop libflashsupport sue to libflashsupport is still causing crashes.
Otherwise we need flash10 + libflashsupport, I dont know how you would
want this done, I would just do libflashsupport+flash10 package but
after talking to Alexander about this he would rather see PA being used
to cut down on crashes. all the packages are built and tested in my PPA
i would like to know how backporters would handle this.

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Setting hardy-backports to incomplete. I need a complete list of the
> packages and versions that need to be backported to make this happen.
> IIRC pulse is not default on all Ubuntu variants, so do not assume
> pulse.
>
> ** Changed in: hardy-backports
> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
>
>
If they want to use asound-plugins instead of libflashsupport they will
need to set it as default and i know backports should change default
settings so what would be best route to take on this, maybe backport
libflashsupport, flash , asound-plugins and write a wiki on how to set
it up depending on way user chooses?

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[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

What are the defaults for Xubuntu and Kubuntu? We can't change those.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> What are the defaults for Xubuntu and Kubuntu? We can't change those.
>
Not really sure but i will see if i can find out from riddle and cody,

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

I know kubuntu doesnt use PA however i asked about xubuntu and i think the answer was also no but i will ask again.
Can you please see if flash 10 is already in hardy. Daniel was marking bugs fixed in flash 10 beta2 in hardy. I will ask him if i see him but its not likely for me to see him.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

It does sound like Daniel as well ask Alexander and myself personally would rather use pulse audio than libflashsupport since libflashsupport still causes crashes.

[Anton Blanchard (anton-samba)]

Thanks for this work, I've had to help a number of people who are having flash9 sound issues.

FYI It looks like they have updated the version of flash:

$ wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz
...
11:16:42 ERROR 404: Not Found.

The new version is at: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_070208.tar.gz

I noticed the deb package would successfully install even if it couldn't download and install flash, it would be nice if it would fail to install in this case.

[Rich Johnson (nixternal)]

I am a purger :P

flashplugin-alternative.so mplayerplug-in-qt.so mplayerplug-in.so
libjavaplugin.so mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt mplayerplug-in-wmp.so
mplayerplug-in-dvx.so mplayerplug-in-rm.so mplayerplug-in-wmp.xpt
mplayerplug-in-dvx.xpt mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt mplayerplug-in.xpt

I think YouTube was the only site that didn't give me any problems. The ones giving me problems were the Target.com website when I went to look at this weeks ads, Myfoxchicago.com was another issue when looking at the weather, and there were a slew of others. Honestly, Flash 10 is worse than Flash 9. I have temporarily #commented out -backports just to stay away and went back to Flash 9. I shouldn't have to make Pulse Audio default either, especially since A) I am running KDE and it isn't KDE-friendly yet, and B) I don't even like Pulse Audio. The problems always happened when entering a page with Flash.

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

Is it going to work at all on non-PA systems? It may be good for Gnome,
but if it doesn't work on kde and xfce, I think we need to dump the whole
backport.

[psychok7 (nunok7)]

so guys, as a simple user should i wait for an update(that i hope its released tomorrow) where u guys do whatevar you have to do (downgrading and stuff), or i have to downgrade manually?this thing is slower and buggier than ever.. i cant be on myspace.com without it crashing..just want to know if u will work this out till 2morrow or if i have to do it by myself..??

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

Maybe tomorrow. Probably longer.

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

We've uploaded new versions of flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport. They should be published in ~90 minutes. When prompted to upgrade, it will reinstall (with a new version number) the exact same thing you had before installing these backports. If you're happy with the new one, don't install it. If you're having problems, take the upgrade and it should fix things back to the way they were.

Before we do this again, we need a test with Kubuntu amd64. That would catch the cases of 64 bit and non-PA. We need to check both those before we do this again.

[Daniel T Chen (crimsun)]

Ok, this is just a mess. 32-bit users normally don't see crashes with libflashsupport installed (but some do). 64-bit users will see crashes. We need to rip out libflashsupport from intrepid's archive (source+binary) and remove it from intrepid's flashplugin-nonfree's suggests.

Wait, it gets better. Doing the above will resolve Flash-related crashers for people using PulseAudio with Flash, but it does absolutely nothing for people who want to use PulseAudio with Flash. (I don't want to ask how certain people got libflashsupport installed, but...) Remember that alsa-libs and alsa-plugins need to be backported, too, and until the entire ALSA+PulseAudio stack is upgraded to its intrepid counterpart, those users are still screwed.

In other words, PulseAudio users gain nothing with this backport until alsa-lib and alsa-plugins are also backported so that libflashsupport can be removed.

ALSA users should ensure they don't have an /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc, as using overridden definitions vastly complicates the error paths. And, of course, they shouldn't have libflashsupport installed.

64-bit users need to ensure nspluginwrapper and lib32asound2 remain installed.

[Conn O Griofa (psyke83)]

Alexander,

In this case, "libflashsupport" was not the cause of many of these crashes.

Please see this bug #247682 - it is *not* a libflashsupport or PulseAudio issue, it's a bug in Firefox3. See also: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/07/addessing_wmode_crashes.html

[jeroenl (jeroenl)]

I had also problems with Firefox3 and Flash10 from the backports yesteray. My main problem was the very high CPU and I also noticed slow video playback on youtube and google video. So it is unusable for me. I don't have libflashsupport installed and I'm running Kubuntu, not Gnome Ubuntu.

For the first time in 3 years I had to disable backports to get things back to normal. I never had problems with Flash 9.

Cheers,

Jeroen

[Rich Johnson (nixternal)]

Scott,

the new upload fixed all of my crashes and the version issue with the websites that had them. Thanks!

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

There were mulitple problems, the one that probably afflicted Kubuntu users
is we need to update alsa at the same time. You can update to the current
package in backports and it will revert this change.

[Conn O Griofa (psyke83)]

Daniel,

Everything in your comment re: libflashsupport is accurate (except that you got things backwards - it's 32bit users that notice crashes with libflashsupport, while 64bit users do not notice as often, as nspluginwrapper preserves the firefox process from completely dying), but since the release of Flash v10 beta 2, things have become even more complicated. Yes, libflashsupport is still buggy and can cause random crashes after visiting several sites such as Youtube.

However, the issue encountered by users specifically with Flash 10 beta 2 is not because of libflashsupport, but it is in fact with Firefox 3's buggy support for "windowless mode" - even recent versions of swfdec (that have windowless mode support) will exhibit issues. Only certain sites seem to be affected, so for example, Youtube will never cause a crash, but other sites will crash 100% reproducibly - and this is without libflashsupport being installed.

You should check bug #247682 and the linked upstream issue, as well as the blog entry from Adobe. I have refrained from linking or marking it as a dupe of this bug, as this bug was originally a Hardy backport request. Bug #247682 deals with the actual bug in Firefox 3 (exposed by the latest Flash), which is now relevant to Intrepid (and it has nothing to do with libflashsupport or PulseAudio, for once!).

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

Another issue with this backport that had not ocurred to me is that some
sites will not work with a Flash version other than the current release
version (which this beta is not). I ran into this during my testing
yesterday.

Because of this and the other huge pile of issues, I think we should not
try this again before the final Flash 10 release.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

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> Another issue with this backport that had not ocurred to me is that
> some sites will not work with a Flash version other than the
> current release version (which this beta is not). I ran into this
> during my testing yesterday.
>
> Because of this and the other huge pile of issues, I think we
> should not try this again before the final Flash 10 release.
>
Yeah my last post said pretty much same thing but other things that
bothered me. Its very possible a ff3 issue. but i think its more of a
flash issue as i have stated before flash support for Linux is very
low priority and Windows much the opposite and honestly that has been
a thorn in my side for the longest time. Gnash has some issues but not
as much as flash 9 does. I have NEVER seen a stable flash version for
Linux yet.
This is all prior to me having coffee today so if it doesnt make sense
ask me again in a few hours :)

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

It doesnt make a difference if we backport alsa-plugins or *-libs as
Kubuntu doesnt use them.
As for Daniels post:

nspluginwrapper IIRC has a few crashing bugs due npviewer (that may
not be right name but it looks right.) Daniel you had said to backport
flash and libflashsupport and that you would look at pulseaudio so
that is what we did, You might have meant for Gutsy but since
pulseaudio is a high enough version in Hardy we shouldnt have to
backport it from intrepid UNLESS you made major changes to pulseaudio
for Intrepid that were needed for Hardy and i dont remember seeing
much in the way of major changes for pulseaudio nor alsa-plugins (both
can be found in PPA) I cant remember what package alsa-libs was in
unles you meant like libpulse0 than most if not all are in pulseaudio
source package.
If those are needed they are done and ready to be pushed to Hardy but
i thought Daniel was working on them doing that however will only fix
it for gnome users since we are only ones using pulseaudio by default
and im sure kde users would want to keep using arts. I see no way of
helping with that.
Are we sure all these crashes are being caused by flash and not
something else? I havent seen any crash logs nor backtraces. It most
likely is.
As of the update to us about the backport in Hardy i decided i would
test myspace and i dont see any crashes and i had already tested
youtube. When i had tested before getting the ack for Hardy backports
i testeed youtube and flash home page (thinking these are most likely
gonna cause a crash).
Please make sure the crash isnt from 2+ vidoes playing at same time
and using back button Im fairly sure that is how you reproduce a long
time flash crash and no flash 10 doesnt fix that as of yet. apart from
Richard has anyone else on 32bit seen their crashes go away with
latest flash update that Scott has pushed? their are alot of npviewer
crashes ( i think that is 64bit only) or atleast most.
Either we can try again with PA stuff (that i thought we needed until
Daniel's post) that is already been pushed to PPA when i was doing the
flash backports or we wait for final release I really think sice
Hardy is LTS we should be updating it but we need to know that it
works for everyone and that is impossible. Can anyone confirm that the
sites being seen crashing the problem. Reason i ask is because while
the most used site youtube doesnt crash why would others unless they
are not updated to use flash 10 (although youtube shouldnt be since
flash is in beta) I only tested with 32bit and on 2 sites i have no
way of testing 64bit and as it was brought to my attention we only
needed one test (im sure not one site that is why i tested on a few.

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Sincerely Yours,
    John Vivirito

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

Since Richard (nixternal) is using Kubuntu, PA changes won't help him.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

fx5 wrote:
> John Vivirito wrote:
> [...]
> It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your system
> [...]
>
> I don't understand your comment. libasound does not use pulseaudio in
> hardys default setting, does it?
>
> To fix all flash issues i had to:
> - Installing Flash 10
> - AND removing libflashsupport
> - AND setting libasound to use pulseaudio
>
libasound is built with alsa-plugins so i would have to assume it uses
it when PA is set to default and libflashsupport depends on libasound

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > There were mulitple problems, the one that probably afflicted Kubuntu
users
> > is we need to update alsa at the same time. You can update to the current
> > package in backports and it will revert this change.

It doesnt make a difference if we backport alsa-plugins or *-libs as
Kubuntu doesnt use them.
As for Daniels post:
Ok, this is just a mess. 32-bit users normally don't see crashes with
> libflashsupport installed (but some do). 64-bit users will see crashes.
> We need to rip out libflashsupport from intrepid's archive
> (source+binary) and remove it from intrepid's flashplugin-nonfree's
> suggests.
>
> Wait, it gets better. Doing the above will resolve Flash-related
> crashers for people using PulseAudio with Flash, but it does absolutely
> nothing for people who want to use PulseAudio with Flash. (I don't want
> to ask how certain people got libflashsupport installed, but...)
> Remember that alsa-libs and alsa-plugins need to be backported, too, and
> until the entire ALSA+PulseAudio stack is upgraded to its intrepid
> counterpart, those users are still screwed.
>
> In other words, PulseAudio users gain nothing with this backport until
> alsa-lib and alsa-plugins are also backported so that libflashsupport
> can be removed.
>
> ALSA users should ensure they don't have an /etc/asound.conf or
> ~/.asoundrc, as using overridden definitions vastly complicates the
> error paths. And, of course, they shouldn't have libflashsupport
> installed.
>
> 64-bit users need to ensure nspluginwrapper and lib32asound2 remain
> installed.

nspluginwrapper IIRC has a few crashing bugs due npviewer (that may
not be right name but it looks right.) Daniel you had said to backport
flash and libflashsupport and that you would look at pulseaudio so
that is what we did, You might have meant for Gutsy but since
pulseaudio is a high enough version in Hardy we shouldnt have to
backport it from intrepid UNLESS you made major changes to pulseaudio
for Intrepid that were needed for Hardy and i dont remember seeing
much in the way of major changes for pulseaudio nor alsa-plugins (both
can be found in PPA) I cant remember what package alsa-libs was in
unles you meant like libpulse0 than most if not all are in pulseaudio
source package.
If those are needed they are done and ready to be pushed to Hardy but
i thought Daniel was working on them doing that however will only fix
it for gnome users since we are only ones using pulseaudio by default
and im sure kde users would want to keep using arts. I see no way of
helping with that.
Are we sure all these crashes are being caused by flash and not
something else? I havent seen any crash logs nor backtraces. It most
likely is.
As of the update to us about the backport in Hardy i decided i would
test myspace and i dont see any crashes and i had already tested
youtube. When i had tested before getting the ack for Hardy backports
i testeed youtube and flash home page (thinking these are most likely
gonna cause a crash).
Please make sure the crash isnt from 2+ vidoes playing at same time
and using back button Im fairly sure that is how you reproduce a long
time flash crash and no flash 10 doesn...

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Scott did we pull flash 10 out of hardy backports?

[Scott Kitterman (kitterman)]

Technically we didn't delete it, but replaced it with a Flash 9 with a higher version number:

10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2

is 9.0.124.0ubuntu2

[Conn O Griofa (psyke83)]

John,

As far as I know it got pulled due to instability. Although beta 1 was pretty stable (with the advantage of being more compatible with PulseAudio), beta 2 of Flash uses a lot of CPU and causes crashes with many common websites.

As for the crashes with beta 2 of Flash, it is actually a bug in Firefox's "windowless mode" support and not Flash itself. The issue is already fixed in upstream Firefox and is being tracked on Launchpad bug #239182. Resolving the windowless mode crashes won't help the high CPU usage, though.

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Technically we didn't delete it, but replaced it with a Flash 9 with a
> higher version number:
>
> 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2
>
> is 9.0.124.0ubuntu2
>
>
Thanks i was wondering how you would do that. IIRC there was comments
about that in this bug

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[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Conn wrote:
> John,
>
> As far as I know it got pulled due to instability. Although beta 1 was
> pretty stable (with the advantage of being more compatible with
> PulseAudio), beta 2 of Flash uses a lot of CPU and causes crashes with
> many common websites.
>
> As for the crashes with beta 2 of Flash, it is actually a bug in
> Firefox's "windowless mode" support and not Flash itself. The issue is
> already fixed in upstream Firefox and is being tracked on Launchpad bug
> #239182. Resolving the windowless mode crashes won't help the high CPU
> usage, though.
>
>
I knew why we were pulling it. it was the did we pull it.

Scott sorry i posted this before talking with you on IRC

[Mauricio Peñaloza S. (elkan76)]

10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2
This update changes the visualization of the flash animation (i.e. Any ad on the web, that was make with flash, have a thin black line on any animated layer).

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Mauricio, this is not a bug report to post problems you are having with flash. Please open a separate bug report for your issue please.

[Ryan Ahearn (ryan-c-ahearn)]

Now that Flash 10 is in final, is there any plan to backport it to Hardy?

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

On 12/04/2008 10:56 PM, Ryan Ahearn wrote:
> Now that Flash 10 is in final, is there any plan to backport it to
> Hardy?
>
Yes there is we were talking about this yesterday.

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    -- Metallica from UnforgivenIII

[Phil (neo6238-ubuntu)]

Hope it comes back soon, because the current deb in backports pool causes trouble as it actually removes flash instead of updating it. ;-)

[Wolf G. Eggers (ge-mm)]

I just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and tried to install "flashplugin-nonfree".
The Adobe Flash 9 download aborted with an http 404 error. Seems like Adobe removed Flash 9 in from it's download servers. (Does this mean there's no Adobe Flash support in 8.04 LTS at the moment?)

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

On 12/28/2008 05:57 PM, Wolf G. Eggers wrote:
> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and tried to install "flashplugin-nonfree".
> The Adobe Flash 9 download aborted with an http 404 error. Seems like Adobe removed Flash 9 in from it's download servers. (Does this mean there's no Adobe Flash support in 8.04 LTS at the moment?)
>
Adobe uses same name tarball for all versions so the tarball they are
using now is for 10 but 9 had same name. There are bugs on this all
ready as i recall. Please give us time to get to it.

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[Ryan Ahearn (ryan-c-ahearn)]

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[Phil (neo6238-ubuntu)]

The adobe-flashplugin does not work on amd64 systems. That's why the backported flashplugin-nonfree would be the only proper solution.

[Craigus (c-o-hopkins)]

I took the hardy deb for flashplugin-nonfree from the gnomefreak ppa, it installed fine, and I can youtube to my heart's delight, but apt then tells me there's an update (the version in backports) and tries to update. I get the same "The Adobe Flash 9 download aborted with an http 404 error." error, but by that point it's removed the gnomefreak version and thinks that the backports version has been successfully installed so I have to remove it to re-install the gnomefreak edition.

[Phil (neo6238-ubuntu)]

That's why it is so important to redo the backport!
Can we expect that in the next time?

[Phil (neo6238-ubuntu)]

Don't know why but the undo-backport became a security fix now. Is it a new package and does it work again? Still it is only flash 9 as I see it.

Please backport flash 10 again! I cannot use 8.10, because the new dma system...

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Where are we on this? I am going through the bugs i reported to try and get as many as i can closed.
This is a very old bug,

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

Gutsy is no longer supported.

[Phil (neo6238-ubuntu)]

Well Gutsy is not, but Hardy is. And as it is LTS and works better on old computers with ide hard and optical drive instead of the new sata ones, I think you can backport it.

[Launchpad Janitor (janitor)]

This bug was fixed in the package flashplugin-nonfree - 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.246.0ubuntu1

---------------
flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.246.0ubuntu1) hardy-security; urgency=low

  * Closes LP: #461773 - outdated backports package being used instead of
    updates/security version
    - Backports version is
      10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2 due to
      LP: #235135 which tried to backport amd64 to hardy

 -- Micah Gersten <email address hidden> Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:16:06 -0500

[John Vivirito (gnomefreak)]

I dont see any reason to leave this open it is already in hardy

:06:50:41:. gnomefreak info flashplugin-nonfree hardy
.:06:50:48:. < ubottu> flashplugin-nonfree (source:
                                flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin
                                installer. In component multiverse, is
                                optional. Version
                                10.0.1.218+really9.0.260.0ubuntu1 (hardy),
                                package size 18 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only
                                available for i386 amd64 lpia)