file transfer with MSN is very slow and frequently does not compleate

[mike hancock]

when sending a file with MSN the file transfer is _very_ slow and frequently does not complete at all.

kopete --version

Qt: 3.3.7
KDE: 3.5.9
Kopete: 0.12.7

[Bugs-kde-org-g (bugs-kde-org-g)]

Version: (using KDE KDE 3.5.1)
Installed from: Mandriva RPMs

I'm at home, I've no NAT and opened the required ports for proper MSN file transfer. But when testing file transfer of the same file using amsn and kopete, the file is generally much much slower to transfer using kopete (more than 10 times). I tested it both when sending and when receiving files. Is it because of the way kopete handle file transfer in msn (maybe it is an indirect connection) ?

[Bugs-kde-org-g (bugs-kde-org-g)]

I should add this behaviour is the same since quite a long time (maybe 6 months), the file transfer was much faster before (but what I say is quite subjective)

[Chanika (chanika)]

file transfer code has changed in 0.12... I think it might be faster
now. you could try the beta and see :)

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[Freebsd (freebsd)]

Kopete doesn't have an implementation of P2P file transfers yet. All files go through the server and this is why they are much slower than in aMSN. There are plans to add P2P support, of course, but it will probably not happen in the 0.12 timeframe. The KDE4 release of Kopete is a much more likely target.

[Bugs-kde-org-g (bugs-kde-org-g)]

Thanks for having reformulated my idea with much more technical sense. KDE4 seems a reasonable target to me too. Reader, please, vote for this wish ! :) ()

[csanchisb (csanchisb)]

Kmess does have p2p transfers, would it be possible to just copy their implementation?

[Paulo-fidalgo-pt (paulo-fidalgo-pt)]

there's a new msn lib in the forge (libpappilon).
There maybe there's roof for implementation and improvements there... but off course if somebody make himself volunteer... this can happen any time ;)

[Michael-larouche (michael-larouche)]

*** Bug 133901 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Michael-larouche (michael-larouche)]

*** Bug 134611 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Michael-larouche (michael-larouche)]

*** Bug 121351 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Michael-larouche (michael-larouche)]

*** Bug 128954 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Michael-larouche (michael-larouche)]

*** Bug 126919 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Michael-larouche (michael-larouche)]

*** Bug 132104 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Ernesto Ruge (the-infinity)]

hmm ... my bug ( http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132104 ) was about the problem, that almost no file transfer works in MSN because it breaks after a while - what has this to do with this topic / wish?

[Michael-larouche (michael-larouche)]

Yes, this is about implementing MSN file transfer the correct way, not using the fallback MS server.

[Ernesto Ruge (the-infinity)]

dows orgininal MSN use P2P file transfer? I had also with original MSN Messenegr 7 a really bad connection (because of the slow MS server) - or has the live messenger implemented P2P transfer?

[Matteo Croce (teknoraver)]

can P2P work behind a NAT forwarding ports?

[Mattfly-k (mattfly-k)]

P2P doesn't work, never...

[Francesco-doffizi (francesco-doffizi)]

I notice really great differences between original msn and kopete in filetransfer (I've got a not configurable NAT so relay transfer is mandatory).
With kopete it's really slow while with msn is quite good! So implementation is still quite different... If I remember well I get good results even with AMSN... see its code!

[Fredrile+kdebug (fredrile+kdebug)]

Use aMSN guys, its way ahead on MSN in so many ways =)

[Lameventanas (lameventanas)]

Is there any plan to solve this before KDE 4.0?
I am afraid that even if it is solved in KDE 4.0, there will be brand new bugs because of all the new changes, and we'll never have a usable version.

[Francesco-doffizi (francesco-doffizi)]

It's so frustrating that a bug filed over (and over) a year ago is still open, quite ignored. If mantainer has no time to follow this task he could ask some sort of help. Even thinking that correct code exists in an other gpl software (aMSN) shouldn't be so hard to port to kopete.

Hope this will be solved some way soon ...

[X-wstephenson (x-wstephenson)]

No, it won't be added in 4.0. The maintainer has no time. We welcome help for 4.1.

[Mattfly-k (mattfly-k)]

I was in #kopete irc.freenode.net channel some months ago, and developers told me that msn p2p file transfer would be available in 4.0. So isn't that true, officially?

[X-wstephenson (x-wstephenson)]

Plans change, it is now delayed from 4.0

[mike hancock (javaiscoolmike)]

acording to this page:
http://<email address hidden>/msg01222.html
...
"Kopete doesn't have an implementation of P2P file transfers yet. All files go
through the server and this is why they are much slower than in aMSN. There are
plans to add P2P support, of course, but it will probably not happen in the
0.12 timeframe. The KDE4 release of Kopete is a much more likely target."

[mike hancock (javaiscoolmike)]

this sound like the same bug too:
http://www.progressive-comp.com/?l=kopete-devel&m=117718000701220&w=2
...
"------- Additional Comments From slaout linux62 org 2007-04-21 20:26 -------
I also have the same problem in 0.12.4 when receiving files from Windows Live \
Messenger.

Downloading is slow (for any file I download and upload), the progressbar seams to \
pause sometimes and after a few seconds (for "large" files of 1 Mb or so) it stops: \
the progressbar on my side do not advance anymore while my friend see a message that \
there has been an error during transfert (or that I canceled). \
_______________________________________________ kopete-devel mailing list"

[Matteo Croce (teknoraver)]

4.1 will be out in april IIRC, is the fix postponed to kde 4.2?

[FiNeX (finex)]

@Matteo: 4.1 is planned for july, not for april.

[Pablo Montepagano (pmontepagano)]

anyway... when are you going to do this? this is a VERY old bug.

[Matteo Croce (teknoraver)]

Postponed to kde 5.0

[Nienhueser (nienhueser)]

There are no plans to postpone to or implement it for a specific release, so please ignore the comment above.

[Pablo Montepagano (pmontepagano)]

I think that the irony was evident. If I knew how to code, I would do it myself. Instead, I had to migrate to emesene. However, it´s not as good as Kopete, since it has some bugs, and it only supports MSNP.

[Andries (andries-spies)]

I don't mind if they fix this in KDE 4. Just that this fix should also be back-ported to KDE 3.5. I don't see me using KDE 4 soon (not until it actually becomes stable, and usefull). Wonder if this "bug" has been solved in Pidgin. It may be time to ditch Kopete if this is the case.

[Matteo Croce (teknoraver)]

Please change severity to normal:
"regular issue, some loss of functionality under specific circumstances"

[Tiago Marques (t28427)]

Look(In reply to comment #31)
> Please change severity to normal:
> "regular issue, some loss of functionality under specific circumstances"
>

Look, i don't know for how long, years maybe, that I can't transfer a big file over MSN network with kopete. By big I mean more than 1MB!
I don't know if it's the lack of the P2P transfer, but slow or fast, it doesn't work right.
This IS IMPORTANT. How can someone expect to have kopete as a valid option, if it can't do one of the most useful MSN features right?
Best regards

[Ivovh (ivovh)]

(In reply to comment #32)
> This IS IMPORTANT. How can someone expect to have kopete as a valid option, if
> it can't do one of the most useful MSN features right?

Exactly! This is not just "some loss of functionality under specific circumstances", this is a *fundamental* feature of MSN that *never* works. A lot of people (including me) have been forced to switch to all kinds of horrible IM clients, just because Kopete doesn't fully implement the MSN protocols.

[Manwesulimo2004 (manwesulimo2004)]

Amen!!! This issue is vital. I know so many people who use alternative messengers because of this one issue. If the devs could get this fixed I'm sure it would make Kopete much more popular.

[kriko (kristjan-ugrin)]

I agree.
Transfers are slow and most of times they don't finish properly.

[Theresa (theresa)]

the sad truth is I already moved onto Skype, because they DO file transfers with a proper speed, and with details on the file transfers (e.g Size of the File, Name/Location of the File, ETA, etc.....)
that's what I imagine file transfers to do....I was once told in the IRC kopete chat, that this will be worked on for KDE 4 (Kopete). But apparently it wasn't really?!

No offense to the KDE/Kopete Developers, I'm sure you're doing a good job, I'm just trying to point things out!

[Matteo Croce (teknoraver)]

anyone is working on it?

[Kde-w (kde-w)]

moving this wish to the WLM plugin

[Pablo Montepagano (pmontepagano)]

I wasn't able to test the SVN version of Kopete. KDE 4 compiles have brought several package collisions with the KDE 3 branch.

However, I would like to know if P2P transfers have been succesfully solved in the new WLM plugin. And, most specially, if that plugin will ever be backported to the 0.12 branch (Qt 3). My system is rather old and KDE4 is a big burden to my resources.

[Mattfly-k (mattfly-k)]

I think the new WLM plugin could be make available in the stable as option, you can choose between standard-old kopete MSN protocol and the new one, the WLM plugin. Hoping that WLM may work with p2p-file-transfer.

[Adrián Chaves (gallaecio)]

As someone said before, KMess already uses the new protocol, or at least makes file transfers really fast. Probably the way to make it posible would be talking to KMess developers.

[Dario Andres (andresbajotierra)]

*** Bug 193250 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Harald Sitter (apachelogger)]

Closing this bug in favor of the one on bugs.kde.org, please follow the KDE bug instead.

[Andrew-crouthamel (andrew-crouthamel)]

Hi there, sorry for the bad news, but WLM has been discontinued by Microsoft, so this bug will be closed.

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